Can Our African Heritage Save Us?

[khnumet]

I won't bother to reiterate the well documented fact that America is disintegrataing on every front. However we as African Americans have a heritage that could save us from going down with the ship if we are willing to swim with it or walk on the waters of self knowledge.

Seems that the refusal of our underclass to rise is a subconscious wish on their part for America to fall. But really America doesn't need our help and sacrificial contribution. She started with a George W and from the looks of it she will end with a George W--at least the idea of America Land of the Free Home of the Brave is being laid in the sweet peas by the Bush administration.

How can we embrace the redemptive aspects of our African and African-American heritage to brace ourselves for what is to come so we can survive it?

[Healthy Merking]

khnumet said:

I won't bother to reiterate the well documented fact that America is disintegrataing on every front. However we as African Americans have a heritage that could save us from going down with the ship if we are willing to swim with it or walk on the waters of self knowledge.

Seems that the refusal of our underclass to rise is a subconscious wish on their part for America to fall. But really America doesn't need our help and sacrificial contribution. She started with a George W and from the looks of it she will end with a George W--at least the idea of America Land of the Free Home of the Brave is being laid in the sweet peas by the Bush administration.

How can we embrace the redemptive aspects of our African and African-American heritage to brace ourselves for what is to come so we can survive it?

PEACE

you raise some good points

but as you say

it all comes down to self-knowledge

i guess the question then changes to:
will you let YOUR african heritage save YOU - EVEN AS your brothers and sisters seem destined to be pulled under?

the only way to embrace it is to continue developing your awareness and refining your connection to the most high - the heritage

PEACE

i am not so certain anymore that fleeing the battle scene is the best way to ensure preservation

[Os3y3ris]

Seems that you've embraced the white (that was a slip. meant to say "right") wing theocracy. People who claim that America is falling apart are severely out of touch with our African heritage. Falling apart implies that something was indeed together in the past. Ok, lets work with that. How far back do we need to go to put things back together? The 80s? Didn't crack hit? Same shit we see today for all intents and purposes. 70s? Hmm...Racism anyone? Vietnam? 60s. No comment. 50s? Well, relatively stable, but what about civil rights? 20s. Ah, the KKK, round 2. So when the hell was America together to fall apart? Yeh, white people have a basis to complain, but anything Bush can deliver, we, as a people, have survived already. In fact, we can only move forward.

[SAMURAI36]

os3y3ris said:

Seems that you've embraced the white (that was a slip. meant to say "right") wing theocracy. People who claim that America is falling apart are severely out of touch with our African heritage. Falling apart implies that something was indeed together in the past. Ok, lets work with that. How far back do we need to go to put things back together? The 80s? Didn't crack hit? Same shit we see today for all intents and purposes. 70s? Hmm...Racism anyone? Vietnam? 60s. No comment. 50s? Well, relatively stable, but what about civil rights? 20s. Ah, the KKK, round 2. So when the hell was America together to fall apart? Yeh, white people have a basis to complain, but anything Bush can deliver, we, as a people, have survived already. In fact, we can only move forward.

I actually agree with all of this.

AMERICA was the proverbial TITANIC; the gargantuan ship that was destined to set sail on a 400+ year voyage, only to plunge into the iceberg of inevitable destruction.

It was built wrong from the very start, so there should be no surprise that it cracked in half, and now lay at the bottom of the ocean.

Ironically, if you look at the movie, there were little to no AFRICANS on that ship (even the rats had the sense enough to abandon ship); only white men who wished to shove their women and children aside, and pay their way onto the life boat.

Sadly, we (AFRICANS) should have never been brought along for the ride to begin with (ironically once again, we came on a "big boat").

Unlike many first and second generation immigrants who make their way here for various reasons, we as so-called AFRICAN-AMERICANS have been subject to the madness from the very beginning, and thus it is hardest for us to see our way out to the realm of clarity.

I said all of this to say, that O is correct, in that it's sheer folly to look for those "glory days", when there never were any to begin with.

If you want to find those days, look to the time long before we came here.

There's a deliberate reason as to why so-called "AFRICAN-AMERICAN history" as it is taught to our people (one week/month a year, no less ), never stems any further back than 1555 or 1619 (depending on which official date you prefer).

Once we break that chronological perceptual barrier, we will then begin to see ourselves for who we once were, and who we are once again to be.

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

damn yo

revisiting the history of it all on this planet still gives me the creeps

the meek shall inherit

from the dingiest most disgusting circumstances the light will still shine

PEACE

[khnumet]

True there was never any golden age where our problems in America did not exist and true the foundations of this country gauranteed its eventual demise.

As O said we have long survived what America is just beginning to feel. SO to avoid a fruitless pursuit of circular arguments and counter-arguments lets not even look at this as a reaction to what may or may not be happening in America. One way or the other we must still reclaim our heritage.

I am currently reading Ra Un Nefer Amen's "Maat: The 11 Laws of God." I see in it an answer to our salvation. Looking at the first two laws gives us a clue about what ails our community.

Those who lead us stress the need for the law of Ausar (congregation, unity). But without the law of Amen (inner and personal peace) Ausar can only lead us to the conflict and strife that we see among our people when ever they try to come together. How can a people who are not at peace within themselves have peace with one another? They see the benefits of coming together (security, reaching goals, companionship, recreation) but without Amen they cannot fulfill these benefits when they do come togeher.The bristles on their skin make it easy to rub each other the wrong way. It's not that whites have more Amen than we do but they are more willing and able to kill and anihilate. Their bristlws are poisonous while ours are just irritating.

[Os3y3ris]

I think that whats needed to spark a return to embracing our African heritage is Afrocentric education. Now, there's nothing wrong with Eurocentric education. I take part in quite a bit of it. I take in European ideologies, mythologies and methodologies to name a some of my Eurocentric involvement. Some I take to heart, some I throw away. HOWEVER, those things are all skewed to highlight European/American accomplishments and instill pride in one's European heritage. What the African American needs is a new system of study. Being merely afrocentric is not enough. What is needed is a calculated antiEurocentric ideology. What we need to do is watch and look for white supremacist ideologies creeping into our own mentalities. Once we can get this poisonous white supremacism out of our culture, what can we be BUT African?

[Healthy Merking]

khnumet said:

Those who lead us stress the need for the law of Ausar (congregation, unity). But without the law of Amen (inner and personal peace) Ausar can only lead us to the conflict and strife that we see among our people when ever they try to come together. How can a people who are not at peace within themselves have peace with one another? They see the benefits of coming together (security, reaching goals, companionship, recreation) but without Amen they cannot fulfill these benefits when they do come togeher.The bristles on their skin make it easy to rub each other the wrong way. It's not that whites have more Amen than we do but they are more willing and able to kill and anihilate. Their bristlws are poisonous while ours are just irritating.

i dont know if whitey is more ABLE to kill

but definitely more WILLING

the real problem arises when you take a look at where this will comes from:

it is rooted in FEAR

fear is rooted in IGNORANCE

ignorance stems from LIES and TRICK KNOWLEDGE - as well as some physical attributes such as a lack of melanin and a smaller brain

all of which goes back to brother yacub who has clearly done his job well

the devil mentality was taught to be:
"destroy that which you cannot control"

knowledge dictates that the only thing that one can control is self

put the two together and you have an entity which - out of fear - destroys everything in a quest to control its life

only to find that the only thing it controls is self

it is a disease that eats itself

this phase is not supposed to be physically comfortable

but the righteous will endure and patiently watch the rest fall away

every mind on this planet is currently battling the devil

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

os3y3ris said:

I think that whats needed to spark a return to embracing our African heritage is Afrocentric education. Now, there's nothing wrong with Eurocentric education. I take part in quite a bit of it. I take in European ideologies, mythologies and methodologies to name a some of my Eurocentric involvement. Some I take to heart, some I throw away. HOWEVER, those things are all skewed to highlight European/American accomplishments and instill pride in one's European heritage. What the African American needs is a new system of study. Being merely afrocentric is not enough. What is needed is a calculated antiEurocentric ideology. What we need to do is watch and look for white supremacist ideologies creeping into our own mentalities. Once we can get this poisonous white supremacism out of our culture, what can we be BUT African?

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN O

this shit is straight jewels

PEACE

i like the way you yin the yang here

nice

[UniverseSeven]

Revelation 18

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&chapter=18&version=9


Nat Turner

The smartest thing to do is leave, why build on what We know will be destroyed.

Leaving is the only logical answer in avoiding what is soon to come to her. Unless you hope the mothership beams you up, which I am not waiting for. No one here will be untouched

People must see the forest for the trees.

Do you pay taxes to the USG? then you support America....It is time for the slaves to leave the plantation or organize and openly resist it by any means necessary.





We have knowledge that must be shared with the nations.

HOMELAND SECURITY WANTS YOU! .....DEAD.....


P-Dog the Bushkilla

"now who is able to make war with the beast"

Peace

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[Healthy Merking]

PEACE

i still do not recognize how physically moving from one place on this planet to another would accomplish anything

PEACE

[UniverseSeven]

That is somthing people say to comfort themselves.

For starters United States taxpayers are funding the "war" in Iraq and Afghanistan. US taxpayers give Israel 16+ billion a year, we fund their defense industry. Those are abrams tanks bulldozing Palestinian homes killing men, woman and children. Not to mention all the other evils performed by the United States in countless countries and on its own people. As long as you live here, pay to support the USG there is blood on your hands. I myself will not have US citizenship in 3 years, and will be atoning for my sins.

If you prefer a physical place called America , where you have no rights that has waged war on native people. Where they can observe most everything you do to some degree. Where cops look up your history on labtops in their cars called "New World Systems".
The land with the highest murder rate, kidnapping and missing persons. The largest amount of its people per capita behind bars. The biggest debtor natioin on Earth, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act etc, etc...that list goes on for days you know that.....

There is no constitution anymore. The only thing keeping people thinking their free here is that the citizens are armed to the teeth. That ends with the next "terrorist" attack....

Face it....

America IS the NEW WORLD. It will see the highest degree of suffering and destruction.

What does belize have to do with any of this?...nothing
and that is my point. They dont even have income taxes

When the shit goes down I want to be in a place
where self sustanence is possible and technology does not rule the day.

Thank you

[Healthy Merking]

PEACE

it looks like you were addressing my ego
so
i will let my ego answer:

1. i have not known a day of 'comfort' since 2002
2. i have not paid my taxes since 1998
3. from the hagakure:
i) "Master lttei said, 'If one were to say what it is to do good, in a single word it would be to endure suffering. Not enduring is bad without exception.'"
ii) "The resolution of the men of former times was deep. Those between the ages of thirteen and sixty went to the front lines. For this reason men of advanced years hid their age. "

america is belize when you make it belize

besides

you think belize is gonna stay untouched?

when 'shit goes down' you think every rich yankee aint gonna be fleeing to every place they can get their pink feet to?

you think ray and martha whitenrich from the hamptons wont risk arctic temperatures?

unless you are planning to flee to the 18th moon of saturn - you will have to face 'the shit' when 'the shit goes down'

every inch is the best part

and if you are being watched - isnt that even more reason to be righteous?

you got an audience

its not about preference

its about responsibility

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

I agree with both of you on different levels.

Even if you escape to Mars, you still have your own thoughts to battle with.

We cannot escape it; it is an innate and fundamental part of our existence.

We need resistance... otherwise our "muscles" don't grow!

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

civilison said:

We need resistance... otherwise our "muscles" don't grow!

PEACE

brilliant

absofuckinglutely brilliant

PEACE

(another hagakure quote:
to give a person ones opinion and correct his faults is an important thing
it is compassionate and comes first in matters of service
but the way of doing this is extremely difficult
to discover the good and bad points of a person is an easy thing
and to give an opinion concerning them is easy too
for the most part
people think that they are being kind by saying things that others find distatsteful or difficult to say
but if it is not received well
they think that there is nothing more to be done
this is completely worthless
it is the same as bringing shame to a person by slandering him
it is nothing more than getting it off ones chest
to give a person an opinion one must first judge well whether that person is of the disposition to receive it or not
one must become close with him and make sure that he continually trusts ones word
approaching subjects that are dear to him
seek the best way to speak and to be well understood
judge the occasion
and determine whether it is better by letter or at the time of leave-taking
praise his good points and use every device to encourage him
perhaps by talking about ones own faults without touching on his
but so that they will occur to him
have him receive this in the way that a man would drink water when his throat is dry
and it will be an opinion that will correct faults
this is extremely difficult
if a persons fault is a habit of some years prior
by and large it wont be remedied
i have had this experience myself
to be intimate with all ones comrades
correcting each others faults
and being of one mind to be of use to the master is the great compassion of a retainer
by bringing shame to a person
how could one expect to make him a better man?)