The Church

[UniverseSeven]

The following is a reprint from the May 2000 issue of The SPECTRUM newspaper. Permission is hereby granted to quote The SPECTRUM in whole or in part, so long as full credit of this source is given, including contacting address and phone number. Phone: [phone] toll-free, or write: 9101 West Sahara Ave., PMB 158, Las Vegas, NV 89117. You can visit us at thespectrumnews.org website on the Internet. The SPECTRUM newspaper is a non-profit corporation which relies heavily on the donations and support of its readers.

www.remnantofgod.org/blackpope.htm

[jonnygemini]

Peace Univ7

What is your take on this article?

I went into reading it with an open mind...but as the subject of the interview revealed himself to be a Calvinist, white separtist who believes the jesuits control Minister Farrrakhan I lost interest in some of his other points...Hard to take this without a big ass grain of salt...

two of Mr. Phelps' choicer comments....

"When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about 10-15 days, about 10 years ago, the Nation of Islam was paramount, or tried to be paramount, there. All the Blacks in jail become Moslems. It’s a “hate the White man” religion. Every White man is a White, blue-eyed Devil. And they’re playing—the Zodiac killer, back in California many years ago, all Moslems. So it’s a “hate the White man” religion, designed to foment agitation and unrest.

Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with them."

&

"The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the White, Anglo-Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. And so they’ve got to take the Bible away, they’ve got to take the gun away, and they’ve got to destroy that race. And that’s what they are essentially doing here. I know that’s a racist statement, but I’m sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s history, and that’s what they’re doing."

The white Anglo-saxon-Celtic race? WTF is that? A hodge podge stew of anyone with pasty skin? This guy Phelps is on some other shit if he thinks Malcolm and Martin were tools of Zionists, Communists and Jesuits....

[UniverseSeven]

Peace

My take

It is certainly flawed on the aspects you mention but its good connect the dots on the Vatican, Jesuits, and Zionists. The part where it is implied Black leaders are pawns of these entities is obviously wrong, he just has no other explanation. I completely disregarded it from the article. You will bump into this stuff on these subjects sometimes because generally speaking the white militias and fundamental protestants and are up on the NWO. Aside from the obvious crap he says about the Nation it's fairly accurate, and one of the few articles I could find on Count Hans Kolvenbach. The placing of the Church near the supreme crux of illuminatus power is correct.

You should know by now the Church is the False Prophet and the Dragon.

I thought with the prospect of a new pope, we may examine the Church.

Peace



'Passion of the Christ': Jesuit Theater of Cruelty
by URI DOWBENKO
www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1108&page=2

The False Prophet: The Biblical Data
www.redmoonrising.com/21Defense/biblicalFP.htm


YOU ARE NOW ON

THE CUTTING EDGE

POPE JOHN PAUL II CARRIES CATHOLIC SYMBOL OF ANTICHRIST INTO ISRAEL MARCH 21, 2000
www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1359.cfm

The Shocking Truth about the False Prophet *****
www.historicist.com/articles2/falseprophet.htm

that is a tight blog you have

[Os3y3ris]

Gotta be sure to read this today.

[jonnygemini]

PEACE

Great links for a rainy slow day here at Dow Jones Univ7...thank you...and also for the kind words about the blog...synchronicity that when you checked it out you were the top post? that was unintentional....

Heard a track from the UK I think you will love...its free online here:
headphonesex.co.uk/

The Track is called the mark of the beast artist is Hiram Abiff...all about how the church is the false prophet and red dragon in revelations...I've been really working on mindfullness, consciousness and being awake to the present instead of lost in daydreams future and past....synchronicities abound at the moment...

[5e7ah]

peace fam,
i couldn't open that link to read the file...b.u.t i'm already not feeling the "Martin Lucifer King" statement...nor one about El-Hajj Malik Shabazz being apart of these corrupt (devilishment) organizations. reading your expressions, the author seems like, he had a lot of bad run ins with Blacks, religion and self awareness, so he writes shit like that to make himself feel superior in a sense. We all know the church can be full of it...especially now adays where every joker is callin himself/herself a prophet. shit, the church(Catholic, Vatican etc..) supports most of the bullshit that goes on in this world! you can kill 1 million people, but say a couple of Hail Mary's and Our Fathers' and you're forgiven i think that's why the Pope is suffering the way he is...i may be off with my statement b.u.t, shit...anytime a person like that writes about, Church, corrupted elite organizations, how Black Muslims hate whitey, then justifes these Anglo science lab species and then try to trick us by telling us our leaders were against us by being pawns; they're dumb deaf and blind to themselves and ram off at the mouth thinking their equality is just......more bullshit for us to shit out and flush

[contrastiktion]

daaaamn yo... that track is ill... thanks johnnyII... he flipped a gaaaaaaang of 6's... good ish

[Os3y3ris]

This guy is a joke. I find it very telling that UniverseSeven read this, new it was garbage and just tossed ouit the parts that he didnt like. The whole thing is convoluted nonsense.

[Kephrem]

jonnygemini said:

Peace Univ7

What is your take on this article?

I went into reading it with an open mind...but as the subject of the interview revealed himself to be a Calvinist, white separtist who believes the jesuits control Minister Farrrakhan

I've heard in the black underground conscious community that the NOI at one time had to get a license from the Vatican, as do all so-called religions, to operate in Amerikkka.

"The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the White, Anglo-Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. And so they’ve got to take the Bible away, they’ve got to take the gun away, and they’ve got to destroy that race. And that’s what they are essentially doing here. I know that’s a racist statement, but I’m sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s history, and that’s what they’re doing."

He's a fool, first because Cromwell, is said, to have been a secret Jesuit agent, then you have the so-called royal fam of England who are from a German branch, and certainly aligned with the Vatican.

This guy Phelps is on some other shit if he thinks Malcolm and Martin were tools of Zionists, Communists and Jesuits....

Malcolm definitely wasn't a tool used by unseen forces, MLK however was led into a wrong direction. (the results of his work was ment to happen, in one instance to free up blacks and people of color, so we can have more access to resources in this captivity (prophecy), in the long run, however, it was ment to weaken the blacks in America, via intergration)


PEACE

[Kephrem]

Os3y3ris said:

This guy is a joke. I find it very telling that UniverseSeven read this, new it was garbage and just tossed ouit the parts that he didnt like. The whole thing is convoluted nonsense.

I think I've read this artcle before, and the info he brings out on the Black Pope, and the Jesuits, is as about as close to the truth as it gets. (as far as who's pulling the strings in global politics, etc)

People are greatly underestimating the pull of the Vatican, and it's global connections.

[jonnygemini]

Kephrem said:

I've heard in the black underground conscious community that the NOI at one time had to get a license from the Vatican, as do all so-called religions, to operate in Amerikkka.

Where have you heard this specifically? Any links or more knowledge you can share? I feel that the author of this piece is a right wing gun loving nut who has persecution/victim fantasies starring the Church...I can't see the Catholic Church having ever been as weak as it is now and I personally don't understand the author's agenda. I understand the power, wealth and control the church has historically wielded...but who amongst us on this board feels the Vatican is directly impeding their own growth? I would be the last to deny how the church has manipulated and distorted Orginal Knowledge for population control and material gain...but between the pederasty scandal worldwide, Spain deciding the pope doesn't have the last word on birth control and the health of his "holiness"... Catholics are staggering into the new millenium. I've come across perspectives like this author, Mr. Phelps', in the Turner Diaries that Tim McVeigh was so enamored with... The mindset of so many extremist, right wing evangelical protestant militia types is their dysfunctional paranoia insulated by an irrational superiority complex....Most of these fools end up isolating themselves from any potential allies through their racist, exclusionary ideologies...I am not saying the Church, or Jesuits, are not participants or players in the conspiracy to conceal the Orignal Knowledge...They have been major roadblocks to many on their quest to follow what was written above the entrance to the Kemetic Mystery Schools:"Man, know thyself"
amirfatir.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/BeastLife.htm

But to place the entire blame/responsibility for the current state fo the world on the back of any Church is small-minded scapegoatery...Remember the short german with his tiny mustache and a "FINAL SOLUTION"? My view is that men have taken every faith and religion available and perverted them to suit their own needs...taking the responsibility for those choices and actions out fo the hands of them men who made them offers them a false absolution....Every priest who raped a boy, every bishop who presided over the rites of "primus noctus" in the Middle Ages, every inquisitor who tortured and maimed is as responsible for their own actions as a Nazi guard...I feel like some of these conspiracy theories are a little grandiose and overreaching, possibly an unconscious effort to "UNIFY" our overstanding of this world...like deep down we know we are somehow interconnected to every living thing and lacking the concepts to overstand that...we seek out bigger and better conspiracies that contain more and more players to encapsulate the world's power structure in a way that won't blow our little minds...

But allowing the Church and the Jesuits to maintain their veil of mysterious and far reaching power in this day in age is foolhardy...They have been exposed as the false prophets they are and will only wield as much power as WE THE PEOPLE allow them to

[Kephrem]

jonnygemini said:

Where have you heard this specifically? Any links or more knowledge you can share?

It was on a tape, the brotha who was speaking was a 'metaphysician', leaning towards the Khemetian school of thought, I don't remember his name, but the show that I seen the video on comes on this site www.mnn.org/ on a show named Khemetic Ascendents, every Saturday night/Sun. morn. 2am-3am

I feel that the author of this piece is a right wing gun loving nut who has persecution/victim fantasies starring the Church...

I don't fault him for wanting to blast the CC, I see them as the root of the 500 year time of darkness the world has been under since the Renasaince.

For him it's the Catholic Church, for some it's the Illuminati, or the CIA, the Rothschild family, the Rockefellers, when actually it's all connected.

I can't see the Catholic Church having ever been as weak as it is now and I personally don't understand the author's agenda.

Actually, he was right on time with this info, as America is leaning towards a more conservative so-called Christian moral world view, you can see that with G.W. Bush, the whole Passion of Christ propaganda machine, the Patriot Act, the war on Islam, etc. (what the Protestants in the U.S. don't understand is that the Vatican, specifically the Jesuits, are calling the shots)

I understand the power, wealth and control the church has historically wielded...but who amongst us on this board feels the Vatican is directly impeding their own growth?

They're dealing with nations, governments on the whole, not individuals, it's not hard to notice the uprise of this neo-conservative, Christian, political, media, surge in the last few years.

I would be the last to deny how the church has manipulated and distorted Orginal Knowledge for population control and material gain...but between the pederasty scandal worldwide, Spain deciding the pope doesn't have the last word on birth control and the health of his "holiness"... Catholics are staggering into the new millenium.

The Catholic Church is still the mother church of the Protestant church; Catholics are deaf, dumb, and blind, this has nothing to do with individual Catholics, or Protestants.

I've come across perspectives like this author, Mr. Phelps', in the Turner Diaries that Tim McVeigh was so enamored with... The mindset of so many extremist, right wing evangelical protestant militia types is their dysfunctional paranoia insulated by an irrational superiority complex....Most of these fools end up isolating themselves from any potential allies through their racist, exclusionary ideologies...

I don't fault them for doing what they're doing, as foolish as they are, they know the government is going to shit on them, as soon as they finish with the blacks, hispanics, and other minorities in America. Shit, if it wasn't for some of them (or those who hold some of their ideoligies concerning the government), we wouldn't know alot about the New World Order, and of alot of these Illuministic groups.

But to place the entire blame/responsibility for the current state fo the world on the back of any Church is small-minded scapegoatery...

How is the CATHOLIC CHURCH, just 'any Church'?!

Remember the short german with his tiny mustache and a "FINAL SOLUTION"?

What about him? He was also Vatican affiliated, and Illuminati affiliated, Bush affiliated, New World Order affiliated.

My view is that men have taken every faith and religion available and perverted them to suit their own needs...taking the responsibility for those choices and actions out fo the hands of them men who made them offers them a false absolution....Every priest who raped a boy, every bishop who presided over the rites of "primus noctus" in the Middle Ages, every inquisitor who tortured and maimed is as responsible for their own actions as a Nazi guard...I feel like some of these conspiracy theories are a little grandiose and overreaching, possibly an unconscious effort to "UNIFY" our overstanding of this world...like deep down we know we are somehow interconnected to every living thing and lacking the concepts to overstand that...we seek out bigger and better conspiracies that contain more and more players to encapsulate the world's power structure in a way that won't blow our little minds...

The truth of the matter is the current so-called Pope himself announced a New World Order a couple years back (as did George Bush Sr. in 1991) , that's reality, they're at the forefront, through religion, this is super obvious in what's happening out east with the wars, Bush even called this a 'crusade' in 2001. I remember they showed a cross at the rubble of the WTC site. (they had a 9-11 memorial event with all religous leaders in Yankee stadium, I believe the main visible religous figure was a Catholic priest) The Illuminati's signature was all over 9-11. Then you have Bush taking on this role like he's some sort of good Christian, said his best friend is Jesus in the 2000 elections, they even drew him as 'Jesus Christ' in some magazine, then you had Ashcroft and the Patriot Act, I & II; this is the same thing that happened in Nazi Germany, totalitiarianism mixed in with so-called white supremacist Christianity, backed up by media propaganda. (see Fox News)

But allowing the Church and the Jesuits to maintain their veil of mysterious and far reaching power in this day in age is foolhardy...

The Vatican Church, with it's High Priest of Freemasonry, is the main place where the 'powers of darkness' emanates from, and the Jesuits are on a higher lever then the CIA, KGB, and the Mossad, they in fact run them cats.

They have been exposed as the false prophets they are and will only wield as much power as WE THE PEOPLE allow them to

Of course they're false prophets, shit America also knows Bush is a idiot and he still got re-elected into office, even after he stole the election (hence destroying any sense of true democracy), but in case you havn't noticed the majority of 'the people' don't care, just like the Catholics don't care that their priests are pedophiles, and the Elite, the Establishment, the Illuminati, the Vatican are more powerful then ever.


PEACE

[jonnygemini]

Your points are all salient and I despise everything the Catholic Church was, is and will be as an intermediary between man and the god within him. The horrors and evil perpetrated by the church and government are indicitive of their true nature...BUT I FEAR NEITHER. What little I know of their technology and capacities I try to respect but only so far as to save myself the trouble of fucking with THEM...Because in the real world THEM is us and they have moms and dads and kids and dogs just like US. Look how much money is poured into the CIA and how little legit intel is actually produced...look at the disorginization and petty political squabbles in any fraternity, team or business/working environment and magnify that by some enormous factor and you have the bureaocracy and ineptitude of our federal government and the church...although the current administration and papal regime may have clearly defined visions and goals, not everyone working for them shares them...I don't fear THEM because I don't think there is ONE dude pulling the strings and THE STATE IS ALL IN YOUR MIND. Oppressors have as much power as we hand over to them, my homeboy Emiliano Zapata once said, "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees"

not trying to trivialize the power concentrated in vatican, penatgon or any establishment...but as Univ7 posted earlier in "The 48 Laws of Power":

Law 36

Disdain Things you cannot have(FOR ME $ AND POWER): Ignoring them is the best Revenge

By acknowledging a petty problem you give it existence and credibility. The more attention you pay an enemy, the stronger you make him; and a small mistake is often made worse and more visible when you try to fix it. It is sometimes best to leave things alone. If there is something you want but cannot have, show contempt for it. The less interest you reveal, the more superior you seem.

To me that means fuck bloodlines, Rothschilds, swiss banking gnomes, being born into impossible material WEALTH is no guarantee of enlightenment and the Illuminati/NWO/Trilateral Commission/Committe on Foreign Relations only can control so much and even they have conflicts with other nations and families and churches...there is NO GOD BUT ALLAH(Elohim? Yahweh?JAH)...INSIDE US ALL...only some folks with god complexes, satellites and cameras like Mos Def says...They're scared but there ain't ONE man watching ALL those screens and they step on each others toes...No campaign of control is that impossibly well coordinated and I believe it is impossible to emancipate yourself from their mental slavery without taking the personal responsibility to free your own mind from fear and realize their true power over you is whatever YOU imagine it to be. I realize I'm not invisible or invincible so I do what I have to do to steer clear of certain occupations, activities and traceable purchases...I am afraid of getting locked up.

But if you have any idea what's going on underneath Dulce, New Mexico or Groom Lake, Nevada I'd love to hear more about it...

[UniverseSeven]

Peace

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

There are factions in the Illuminati.
See Faction 1 and 2 and The Library.


Welcome 5e7ah


For any brothers who think the Nation is in the hands of the Vatican: It is not True... The Nation teaches that the Church is the False Prophet and AntiChrist.

Farrakhan On the Pope and the Church (snippet)

"Elijah Muhammad taught that the Pope of Rome is the anti-Christ... It makes me sick to my stomach to see black people running over each other just to kiss this cracker. Who in the hell is the pope of Rome? He's an imposter, he's an idol, he's a false icon that must be torn down."

-Appearance at the "Black Holocaust Nationhood Conference," held as a prelude to the

Million Man March, October 15, 1995


Thanks Kephrem! Great points, I share many of the same views and conclusions. Like Kephrem said alot of the info we have on the NWO comes from WASPs and they are not all racists, alot were in the military, worked for government etc... (dont know this Phelps character) but consider William Cooper who was murdered of late, the author of Behold a Pale Horse. This is just the prevailing current article on the head of the Jesuits, and I don't agree with all the points made in the article, but I felt some of the info was relevant and accurate enough to share.


Os3y3ris you are funny...


JG It is important to recognise things for what they are.
The Church is far from irrelevancy. Did you read the Dulce book by Branton?

[jonnygemini]

Peace brethren and sistren

Just another of the many arms of the octopus?

I will pay the devil his due respect as I slay his tendencies within me

Univ7 thank you for two xcellent links I devoured today...

First the "Weekend with the 5%" by Michael Muhammed Knight at www.muslimwakeup.com was suberb and deeply personally meaningful as it offered a perspective from someone who shares my skin color...Azrael is an interesting dude...Much respect to the Gods and Earths

Second...more thanks for steering me towards the Dulce Book...Chapter 5 on Norio Hayakawa's research for Japanese TV will be useful knowledge...I am planning a field trip with my earth to outside Groom Lake, Nevada for a little UFO watching...stay in a cheap motel...talk to locals...any ideas to live more in an X-Files reality tunnel?

I'm not sleeping on the Jesuits, Catholic Church or our own nefarious gov, NWO, bloodlines...they are all real enough and part of a larger matrix of control...but even if WE THE PEOPLE are mostly blind fools...I see no reason to fear the blind fools they hire to enforce their control...Thanks again to all for this build...PEACE