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Post by Healthy Merking on Mar 8, 2005 2:29:14 GMT -5
PEACE YALL
what has your research led you to conclude?
was the white man created out of boredom?
or is there merit to the idea of 'showing and proving' god's power?
and if there is merit to the 'showing and proving', then who/what exactly would ALLAH be showing and proving to?
as you can see i am coming closer and closer to what seems to be an understanding that this 'experiment' was initiated out of boredom
being outcasted to the cold climates was not a very nice thing to do either
PEACE
i have been doing a lot of thinking lately
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Post by UniverseSeven on Mar 9, 2005 15:37:48 GMT -5
P+E(AC)=E Qu'ran 14: Ibrahim 42. And do not think Allah to be heedless of what the unjust do; He only respites them to a day on which the EYES SHALL BE FIXEDLY OPEN. 43. Hastening forward, their heads upraised, their eyes not reverting to them and their hearts vacant. 44. And warn people of the day when the chastisement shall come to them, then those who were unjust will say: O our Lord! respite us to a near term, (so) we shall respond to Thy call and follow the apostles. What! did you not swear before (that) there will be no passing away for you! 45. And you dwell in the abodes of those who were unjust to themselves, and it is clear to you how We dealt with them and We have made (them) examples to you. 46. And they have indeed planned their plan, but their plan is with Allah, though their plan was such that the mountains should pass away thereby. 47. Therefore do not think Allah (to be one) failing in His promise to His apostles; surely Allah is Mighty, the Lord of Retribution. 48. On the day when the earth shall be changed into a different earth, and the heavens (as well), and they shall come forth before Allah, the One, the Supreme. 49. And you will see the guilty on that day linked together in chains. 50. Their shirts made of pitch and the fire covering their faces 51. That Allah may requite each soul (according to) what it has earned; surely Allah is swift in reckoning. 52. This is a sufficient exposition for the people and that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is One God and that those possessed of understanding may mind. read it all here almashriq.hiof.no/general/200/290/297/quran/014.Ibrahim.html |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 2, 2005 19:42:16 GMT -5
PEACE
sometimes i get frustrated that i don't have much melanin because the knowledge can be overwhelming
but
that's the challenge i guess
PEACE
refine
refine
refine
refine
refine
less is always more
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 6, 2005 12:28:29 GMT -5
Boredom? Chance?... Nah!
All that I call unrecognized law. Everything has its time and space within the frames of the universe. Excluding all the anatomic, physiologic, biochemical, cranial, geographic etc. sciences, there is a much deeper spiritual reason. I am very convinced that nothing happens for nothing!
Peace and let's build!
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 6, 2005 21:12:09 GMT -5
Boredom? Chance?... Nah! All that I call unrecognized law. Everything has its time and space within the frames of the universe. Excluding all the anatomic, physiologic, biochemical, cranial, geographic etc. sciences, there is a much deeper spiritual reason. I am very convinced that nothing happens for nothing! Peace and let's build! WHOA whoa whoa hooooooooooooold on a second nobody said chance... tru - nothing happens for nothing and i agree with your statement of 'unrecognized law' (i also like that term by the way) but what i had been trying to determine here was how this unrecognized law manifested itself in 'layman's terms' from what i gather: allah is eternal and when he came to visit earth in the guise of man he was still eternal so... i allow myself to speculate here envisioning oneself as allah the maker and owner eternally roaming the planet earth the only reasons i can come up with for creating the devil are either an exercise in creation or i was simply bored of sitting around being eternal does anybody else have any alternative points of view? anybody want to blast holes in this stuff? P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-PEACE |
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 7, 2005 8:57:22 GMT -5
You have to love the way you express yourself LIGHT!
It seems like I will have to delve into the issue a bit. This is an excellent topic by the way. All right then; check the science Lord!
We both agree that there is no chance but that what is called chance we call law. We both agree that the Supreme Being is eternal and we both agree and there is a devil.
Now you mentioned that when the Divine came to Earth, It was still eternal. Let’s think of this as the Tao as the inexhaustible source of unmodified energy – the Supreme Being in its dormant, inactive state. When consciousness is modified, in a process called creation, it crystallizes itself into physical matter and lives in this matter as the driving force behind its function. Right?
When it comes to man it is a bit different. Man is the carrier of God’s Consciousness and Free Will. These are POWERFUL tools. Consciousnesses is eternal, unlimited whereas the physical body has its limits as it is a unit of boundaries and matter. Since Man is the carrier of God’s consciousness on Earth, this consciousness constricts itself to the physical body and ultimately lives in it to experience physical phenomena. Right?
We have to understand that consciousness is “enslaved” to the body in the early stages of man’s spiritual evolution when it is not expressed properly. The physical body has its physiologic impulses and desires. Because of the lack of spiritual mastery and the presence of impulses, man gets caught up in pleasure, desire and emotion. Man gets caught up in them at the expense of his/her well being as well as the well being of others. This concept, by the way, was called SET in the Kemetic culture (this is where SATAN come from… SET=SETAN=SATAN).
So according to my view, devil is not “God’s creation” but an inevitable aspect of spiritual evolution in man. Devil is created out of man’s negligence to Divine Law. It is spiritual poverty that controls the will of man. An unevolved man is an emotional man who is prone to imitation and not Divine Law.
So? The ultimate reason for the creation of devil is overcoming it. By overcoming Set, we evolve spiritually and gain mastery over emotionality and unearth the higher levels of man within us.
Dealing with the conceptualization of the white man. It tends to be that the white race is of a lower evolutionary level. There is devil within everyone because everyone is prone to emotion. Devil existed before the white man came along. It existed before man had the terms to explain it. It is an abstract concept, not a physical unit. Like I said, it is an inevitable part of evolution.
Hopefully, I expressed myself quite clearly.
Peace LIGHT! Let’s build some more!!!
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 7, 2005 17:44:47 GMT -5
We both agree that there is no chance but that what is called chance we call law. We both agree that the Supreme Being is eternal and we both agree and there is a devil. im wit ya nice summary ...we begin to differ slightly ...hmm... i agree with you up to here... ...but i fall away here you are looking at the ultimate reason for the creation of the devil: the word i agree lower 'evolutionary' level because the white man has the most components taken away in a different light tho - you can say that the white man has been the most altered - more technologically advanced more robotic more dependent on its environment i'll add more to this later PEACE |
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 7, 2005 17:49:51 GMT -5
Yes, I agree.
Let's delve into the statements we don't comply with and build on those. I'm looking forward to your reply and further building!
Peace
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 7, 2005 17:52:09 GMT -5
Oh, and this:
Yes, I am.
Anyway, what's your perception?
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 8, 2005 8:38:19 GMT -5
PEACE
the reason why the devil was created was so we could have the word
if you consider what 'life' was like before the devil
and what life will be like after the devil
it seems that the only thing that will have changed is that there will be words
it may not seem like much
but when you take a good look at what words really are...
to be honest it still blows my mind
PEACE
(this is turning out to be an interesting thread)
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 8, 2005 8:40:18 GMT -5
PEACE CIV
i am going to start a couple of new threads to address some of the issues here
just for the sake of clarity - so shit doesnt get all jumbled and mixed up here
PEACE
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 8, 2005 9:17:18 GMT -5
hmm... can you build on this a bit more?
And yeah, spark up some more threads so we can get specific.
And by the way, it's nice building with you again.
PEACE
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 8, 2005 10:28:14 GMT -5
hmm... can you build on this a bit more? And yeah, spark up some more threads so we can get specific. And by the way, it's nice building with you again. PEACE PEACE in the most basic literal terms: what i mean is: this whole entire thing has been done so we can have words when the buildings crumble when the lava flows when the water rises when the chosen ones are the only ones left the only difference between what this world was like before and what the world will be like when apocalypse is done is that we will have words instead of just making noises we will have words these things that we create these little jars of divine light which i can create and pass on to you the only other difference is that it will be a bit warmer on the planet (a trend which will continue) what does this have to do with the devil? well - if you are willing to go along with this theory so far i can elaborate on what this means to you and me personally (from what i have observed so far) let me know if you want me to elaborate any further on what i wrote above PEACE |
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 8, 2005 12:22:01 GMT -5
Damn LIGHT! That's nice right there... On the real!!!
Yeah, of course. Elaborate further so I can add on...
Peace
(......damn......)
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