3. what the thinker thinks - the prover proves

[Healthy Merking]

PEACE

this concept was introduced to my line of thinking by robert wilson

"what the thinker thinks, the prover proves"

i believe he introduced this in the book prometheus rising

this is the same cat who wrote 'the illuminatus trilogy'

the basic premise is that anything which can be thought of (perhaps even imagined) can also be proven (given enough time)

this has proven to be a valuable tool for me on my own journey

and i can say that it also seems to have bailed my dumb ass out of trouble on more than one occasion

i will explain how

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

Please do so, LIGHT!

I'll add on in due time...

In Peace

[Os3y3ris]

I look at proof as a simple form of mathematics. Its not convincing one of a certain reality, but completing the "equation". That is to say, either explaining to them why they believe what they've already known, in revealing proof, or providing the necessary data for them to compute, so to speak, in providing proof. I submit to you that proof is impossible outside of those two possibilities, making the statement in question false.

[CIVILISON]

the basic premise is that anything which can be thought of (perhaps even imagined) can also be proven (given enough time)

I am not sure if this will fit within the scope of this build but imagination can be an extremely powerful tool. If we think about it, people take it for granted but beyond the surface lie the true jewels. Every single action we perform is first thought of/imagined in our mental, every. The imaginative faculty is like the phase in between the thought and the act. It is like a funnel that directs the energy (thought) into manifesting the act.

Psychologists have used this technique in various situations - positive thinking, affirmations, creative visualization and so forth. I think this is how the media manipulates us because they plant the thought into our mind and then we start to cultivate it and eventually we manifest it.

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

civilison said:

Psychologists have used this technique in various situations - positive thinking, affirmations, creative visualization and so forth. I think this is how the media manipulates us because they plant the thought into our mind and then we start to cultivate it and eventually we manifest it.

PEACE

check it this way:

ANYTHING that you can think of
as in: any permutation or possible outcome of future events

CAN BE PROVEN to be realized

PROVIDED you are not breaking any laws of nature aka laws of physics aka allah's laws that you are aware of

THE 'TRICK' or the TOOL involved here is that the more you become aware of these 'laws of nature'
the more you can expand and refine the ANYTHING that you think of

this won't work for dumb shit like proving a zebra is actually an elephant
this also will not work for opinions like the flash is better than the green lantern

i would like to expand on this more

but the potential of it is still freaking the shit out of me and i am still coming to terms with all the implications

one thing i can share is that it is a concept that you can rely on if you keep your heart and motives righteous (especially when enduring dark days)

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

CAN BE PROVEN to be realized

That is exactly what I meant!

Actually, I practice this a bit. The results are quite significant! Yes, we should get deeper into this. I'll add on in due time.

Meantime, check you PM.

Peace... it's always a pleasure!!!

[CIVILISON]

All right…

According to Kemetic sciences, man has different spiritual faculties. Let me break it down quickly.

Man has a faculty of physicality, which obviously is the physical unit - from subtle electromagnetic emanations to solid physical matter.

Man has a faculty of personal identification. Meaning what man identifies him/herself with. A lot of people identity themselves with the set of habitual and emotional patterns they implement. For instance, their emotional affinities, likes and dislikes and so forth. Man thinks this is who he/she is. This is a false notion; we shouldn’t identify ourselves with the characteristics of the bodies we are in.

Man has a faculty of the intellect. This is where thinking and intellectual reasoning takes place.

Man has a faculty of imagination which is a faculty where, by natural laws, subtle energies (thoughts and visualization) are directed toward physical realization (actions).

Now, the physical body is interconnected with these different faculties and is receptive to the words, thoughts, ideas and imaginations that are coming from the other faculties of man’s spiritual make up (the intellect and imagination).

Therefore, physical action is dependant upon the message sent via imagination and intellect. if we cultivate a particular thought for long enough, that thought will soon become physical reality as the body executes the ideas passed on from the intellectual and imaginative faculties.

Now, the spirit does not recognize the difference between the thought and an actual physical action, therefore it can be manipulated.

Let’s say that I am a shy person and am not very good at public speaking. I go into an ideal brain wave state and visualize myself successfully speaking publicly to many people. After about a month of this practice, my spirit will acknowledge the fact that I am a proficient public speaker and will flawlessly execute the act.

Like Neo in matrix when he was learning martial arts. He didn’t actually execute physical acts yet his spirit acknowledged the thoughts and subsequently executed them in the physical realms.

There is a few regulations to this practice. You need to put your brain in an ideal brain wave state. A state when the spirit is conducive to programming. Man manifests different brain waves. In the waking state we manifest beta waves which keep our brain and body alert and ready from physical exertion.

Once we relax, the brain slows down and starts to function at lower frequencies. We can manipulate the electro-chemical condition of the brain through the way we breathe. Once we slow the breathing and maintain it like that for some time, the brain will be put in the alpha and theta brain wave state. In this state, the brain is ideally receptive to thoughts, images and verbal affirmations.

So basically, I ma saying that we can program and reprogram our behavior at will using the techniques of the ancients – proper breathing and meditation.

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

PEACE

i am going to ramble a bit here:

i agree with much of what you have written

but thru experience i have come to understand that 'visualization' practices can become faulty when they are not resting on a firm foundation

for example:
the public speaker scenario which you depict

if this person is developing these skills for reasons based on a false view of reality - then there will be a problem for this public speaker when the day comes that 'reality' makes itself known

what needs to be addressed is the motives behind the desire to be a public speaker

this seems to be the location where 'programming' falls apart

it is possible to 'program' somebody so long as they can be maintained in that 'programmed' scenario

but once knowledge expands
and the 'programmed' person begins to find that the foundation upon which his programming has been applied is faulty

... this becomes a volatile situation

this is the same situation as that which gave rise to the warning about the 'initiate who goes through the doors unprepared'

this volatility is the same result as you get whenever a person encounters a shocking or unexpected situation (near-death experiences, being violated by a person one is close to)

from what i understand - these can all fit under the category of 'harsh realities'

undoubtedly that which caused some historic figure to utter the observation: "the truth hurts"



as for these discussions that we get into here:

this is where intellect and imagination merge

we get taught our intellect
but it is in our imagination where we explore

we wind up with a solidified 'intellectual reality' at a certain age
but the imagination keeps exploring a place which is also real

the intellectual reality is based on rules
the imagination reality is based on rules

the intellectual reality has holes
the imagination reality has no holes

one of the difficulties is that in the 'intellectual' reality - many are taught that the 'imagination' is not real

but

in the imagination one learns that both the imagination and the intellect are real

right now we are experiencing a phase where the collective intellect is making an attempt to control the collective imagination

we are also experiencing a climax in this phase as we are able to communicate faster and have access to more information

this does two things:
access to information allows the intellectual access to more creative ways to control the imagination
access to information allows the imagination to see what the intellect is trying to do

i have come to understand this as being an epic conflict

quite possibly the only real conflict

PEACE

ADD ON

[CIVILISON]

Yes, I whole heartedly agree with you on the scenario you presented.

That is an element I forgot to include in my statements before. Our imaginations and affirmations should be in sync with Universal Order, Truth, Justice and Righteousness. These qualities belong to the Kemetic goddess MA’AT (it’s that icon I have on my profile). So yes, it is important that the ‘program’ is in sync with the Universal Order, which is a foundation for basically everything in existece. At this stage is where the 4 elements are present, the abstract spiritual categories underlying creation. So yes, the practice could be counter-productive if not based on a firm foundation.


It’s truly beautiful what you stated about the intellect and the imagination. I agree with everything you say but obviously have my own way of perceiving it.

The beauty of ancient knowledge is to attune all man’s faculty with each other. All the faculties should work in sync with each other. In compliance with this discussion, the intellect listens to the imagination. If you think about it, both these faculties allow us to contemplate reality on different levels. Obviously, the intellect is limited in its verbal expression whereas imagination lets us explore the reality on a deeper level (again, I must emphasize the right brain connotation). The intellect introduces us to the idea and the imagination let’s us explore it (perhaps experience it?)

You have spoken of access to information and how it affects the intellect and imagination. I agree, but I must add on.

When dealing with spiritual phenomena, intellectual reasoning puts abstract realities into verbally recognizable forms. This is expressing verbally something that is known NON-VERBALLY. Let me delve into this.

The Divine “codifies” itself in the human being. It imprints its qualities into our “soul.” When we bring the divine into the foreground of our life, the imagination and intellect operates in accordance with Its Universal Laws. It’s not receptive to feelings and emotions anymore (human qualities) but follows the laws of justice and righteousness (Divine qualities).

What I am saying is that the intellect and imagination is susceptible to “information” either passed on from the lower faculties (emotion driven) or the higher faculties. All we have to do is attune ourselves with the Supreme Being. That “information" can be derived from either external or internal means.

It seems everything is about balance.

This is a heavy topic, I need to contemplate it a bit.

EXCELLENT post, LIGHT!

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

yes

this stuff is crazy deep

it sure is helpful to discuss it tho

i truly value your input

RESPECT

You have spoken of access to information and how it affects the intellect and imagination. I agree, but I must add on.

When dealing with spiritual phenomena, intellectual reasoning puts abstract realities into verbally recognizable forms. This is expressing verbally something that is known NON-VERBALLY. Let me delve into this.

The Divine “codifies” itself in the human being. It imprints its qualities into our “soul.” When we bring the divine into the foreground of our life, the imagination and intellect operates in accordance with Its Universal Laws. It’s not receptive to feelings and emotions anymore (human qualities) but follows the laws of justice and righteousness (Divine qualities).

i find what you say here to be of critical importance

(might i even say it excites me a bit?)

allow me to throw a little spin on it tho - a little re-wording and playing with tenses:

"The Divine “codifieD” itself in the human being. It imprintED its qualities into our “soul.” When we bring the divine BACK into the foreground of our life, the imagination and intellect AGAIN operate in accordance with Its Universal Laws. It’s not receptive to feelings and emotions anymore (human qualities) but RETURNS TO the laws of justice and righteousness (Divine qualities)."

-- basically what i am suggesting here is a focus on RETURNING rather than a focus on DEVELOPMENT

this ties in to what we were discussing in a different thread

if
for a moment
you accept my re-wording above

and then we add your other previous statement:

When dealing with spiritual phenomena, intellectual reasoning puts abstract realities into verbally recognizable forms. This is expressing verbally something that is known NON-VERBALLY.

from what i have come to understand
this basically summarizes the importance of the word and the entire experience of 'life'

1. the imagination (reality)
2. compressed into an 'intellectual' construction (the word)
3. the intellectual construction flourishes to the point where it almost seems as if the source (the CREATOR of the intellectual construction) is non-existent
4. meanwhile the source is actually becoming more and more refined
5. at the end of this process - what we have is:
- an 'intellectual' return to the source
- a tool for creation (building and destroying)
- the 'responsibility' required to use the tool (which correspond greatly to the characteristics of ma'at which you described)





if you were to ask me what i am suggesting in as blunt terms as possible its this:

the point of life
is to learn what a word is
and how to use them responsibly

PEACE

ADD ON

this is a great build

ONE LOVE

[CIVILISON]

I must say, this must be one of the greatest builds I have ever engaged in.

Sometimes when I read your response, I smile because my understanding corresponds so much with that of yours. That though, I attribute to our life experiences.

Anyway, back to the build:

"The Divine “codifieD” itself in the human being. It imprintED its qualities into our “soul.” When we bring the divine BACK into the foreground of our life, the imagination and intellect AGAIN operate in accordance with Its Universal Laws. It’s not receptive to feelings and emotions anymore (human qualities) but RETURNS TO the laws of justice and righteousness (Divine qualities)."

-- basically what i am suggesting here is a focus on RETURNING rather than a focus on DEVELOPMENT

That is exactly what I meant. The Divine Attributes do not have to be developed but RETURNED TO (although so called "development" would entail returning to them). They have to be INperienced and lived out.

Reason why these attributes are/were forgotten? Ego?

1. the imagination (reality)

Yes.

2. compressed into an 'intellectual' construction (the word)

Yes.

3. the intellectual construction flourishes to the point where it almost seems as if the source (the CREATOR of the intellectual construction) is non-existent

Indeed! That is due to the limitation of verbal constructs. Words are segragative and deceive us into BELIEVEING rather than KNOWING. This is where opinions arise.

5. at the end of this process - what we have is:
- an 'intellectual' return to the source
- a tool for creation (building and destroying)
- the 'responsibility' required to use the tool (which correspond greatly to the characteristics of ma'at which you described)

Yes. The faculty of the intellect is in sync with the reality. Yet, the reality is not fully acknowledged, only touched upon, through the intellectual faculty. The tool of creation I believe is man's free will, the greatest blessing. Free will gives man the potentiality of manifesting any action. This is another topic, but the will which is one faculty higher than the imagination (on the tree of life) ensures and enforces divine law into the world. Ma'at is the blueprint of basically everything we just discussed - DIVINE ORDER!

the point of life
is to learn what a word is
and how to use them responsibly

Very well said! We have the freedom to reject’s God’s Laws but we do not have the right to do so! And like I said before, our responsibility increases with our power. Kind of like we all need to be tested. The Alphabets say we need to go through hell to get to heaven.

What a beautiful build!

PEACE!

[Healthy Merking]

PEACE CIVIL

to come to an agreement on this makes me feel as tho something has been accomplished

i may sleep well tonite

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

i'm smiling as i re-read this thread

wow

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

I feel the same, LIGHT!

[Healthy Merking]

i am going through one of those

"now what do i do?" states of mind