FREE WILL

[CIVILISON]

Subtle:

We discussed Sacred Geometry in this thread. Do the 1:

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I'll add on to this build a little later on.

PEACE

[SAMURAI36]

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subtleenergies said:

See, I understand everything Civilison is saying, and in a way it makes alot of sense. But my problem with it is man being unlimited....? I can understand us possessing the same attributes as God, but in the same proportion?

I think any/all students here acknowledge, based on their adherence(s) to various spiritual systems, that we have the same QUALITIES of God, but not the same QUANTITIES.

It's the OCEAN analogy that I always use:

If you dip a bucket into the ocean, that bucket now contains all of the same components (qualities) as the ocean itself, only in an exponentially smaller volume (quantities).

The Bucket is us. The Ocean is God.

If we wish to REALLY become Omni-Potent, Omni-Present and Omni-Scient, then we must dump the contents of the Bucket back into the Ocean.

God is infinite....if you read the Bible or Koran on almost any page we read of our lack of power against this God.

I think perception comes into play here.

I've discussed the "WE" as ALLAH in the QUR'AN before, as well as the pantheistic perspective within the Bible.

There is an Esoteric and Exoteric view of God in both the Bible and Qur'an. It's only the latter that gets constantly convey (re: DRILLED) to the masses, while the former is deliberately ignored.

Also, I also see free-will, to most people - for the present, to be a great burden. Most people wrong themselves and only the few that can master themselves ever really have any true control.

True indeed.

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

it was a combination of the i ching, robert anton wilson's book 'schroedinger's cat' and heisenberg's principle of uncertainty which were dominant in my mind as i came to that understanding

I swear I will get involved with the I-Ching soon!

for me (my ego) personally it was fear which led me to allegiance
for the last period of my 'ignorant' life i kept running myself face first into sticky situations and it got to the point where i found myself in a situation which terrified the shit out of me
so i devoted my life to finding answers and abandoned all other persuits
along the way i began to recognize that i had left 'choices' behind and began following the only thing that seemed to know what it was doing: allah

All right, I hear you on this one. Were you THAT savage back in the day? Lol…

Do you think it was something in you that propelled you towards this lifestyle? Some kind of “magnetism” and why?

please share your theory, CIVIL - i have a few thoughts of my own

Well, since planet Earth is such a crazy place (if not the craziest!), there is two or most probably BOTH options.

First of all, you mentioned multiple Sun and Earths in your post before, do you believe universe like ours exists somewhere else? Did you mean that literally?

OK…

FIRST: Planet earth could be a place where individuals come to work on themselves. Because of all the problems going on, we obviously go through so many struggles and difficulties. This makes us spiritually stronger. Maybe we received some deserved punishment while we're here too. Maybe it’s like purgatory a bit???

SECOND: It is a realm of physicality where the "higher" egos come down to build and guide others. Because these egos are surrounded by so much turmoil, pain, chaos and misbalance; it is a great challenge for them which in turn gives them more wisdom.

In both cases, the result is spiritual elevation.

This is completely on a theoretical level. Sometimes I ponder thoughts like these.

This seems crazy to you?

to be honesti have kind of stopped believing in death so reincarnation doesnt cross my mind all too often

in a way i feel like i get reincarnated everytime i learn something new

in a way i also feel i get reincarnated everytime i speak words which are understood by others
or read words written by my a-alikes which i understand

i guess i have come to find reincarnation to be synonymous with refinement

'death' seems more like an opportunity than anything else

(hagakure: when faced with a decision - always make the quick choice of death)

I cee this. With that Hagakure quote I think he means that we have to be dead to the emotion that engulfs the situation because when we do so, we allow the divine self to manifest and handle the problem. If you look at the Kemetic deity Ausar/Osiris you see him as a mummy. This is because he is ‘dead’ to all physical things making It susceptible to Divine Manifestation.

I guess reincarnation to me it is a bit different. Life (as in the whole picture, multiple incarnations) is a continuous flow and the vibration carried out in one live will follow that of the other.

Basically, the universe is a school system and like we already discussed we obviously have a goal and purpose in here.

I am saying that it is impossible to accomplish this goal in one quick life.

You ever think of it like this?

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

civilison said:

All right, I hear you on this one. Were you THAT savage back in the day? Lol…

was i that savage?
probly not much more than your ordinary sub-urban white child
that being said - yes
i am finding out more and more each day

Do you think it was something in you that propelled you towards this lifestyle? Some kind of “magnetism” and why?

the same magnetism that pulls everybody toward 'death'
i guess it was/is simply my time

Well, since planet Earth is such a crazy place (if not the craziest!), there is two or most probably BOTH options.

First of all, you mentioned multiple Sun and Earths in your post before, do you believe universe like ours exists somewhere else? Did you mean that literally?

yes
i mean it as literally as when i say water is wet

this is a function of 'infinity'

when you look up at the sky (easier during the night sky)
you see an INFINITE distance
an INFINITE number of stars / planets / whatever
INFINITE - as in there is seemingly no end to the space and number of 'bodies' which we can perceive

one of the functions of this INFINITE space is that there is also an INFINITE number of permutations when you consider relationships between objects in space

which means that there are an INFINITE number of situations where there is a star as big as the SUN and a planet the size of EARTH orbiting at 93 million miles away from it

INFINITE

( - aside - it also means that there are an INFINITE number of situations with a planet 92 million miles away from a star and a planet somewhat bigger or smaller than earth

we wont concern ourselves with that right now)

because of this INFINITE number of sun - earth situations

every possible series of events imagineable that can occur on the earth's surface DOES occur in at least one or more place in the uni/OMNIverse

EVERY SITUATION IMAGINEABLE

all of them

FIRST: Planet earth could be a place where individuals come to work on themselves. Because of all the problems going on, we obviously go through so many struggles and difficulties. This makes us spiritually stronger. Maybe we received some deserved punishment while we're here too. Maybe it’s like purgatory a bit???

yes - what we ('mankind') experience on the surface of this planet IS what is known as 'purgatory'

all the confusion
the struggling
the squirming
the reading
the thinking
the watching
the learning

it is all 'hell'

punishment - i am not so sure if it is punishment - but it is definitely refinement of matter

maybe 'deserved refinement'

SECOND: It is a realm of physicality where the "higher" egos come down to build and guide others. Because these egos are surrounded by so much turmoil, pain, chaos and misbalance; it is a great challenge for them which in turn gives them more wisdom.

i agree that the result of the 'challenge' or 'experience' is more wisdom
but
i am unclear of the possibility of a 'higher' or 'lower' ego

if any thing - i consider egos as 'large' or 'small'

a large ego is more 'devilish' and requires the more refinement

like the erosion of a boulder vs. a rock

In both cases, the result is spiritual elevation.

This is completely on a theoretical level. Sometimes I ponder thoughts like these.

This seems crazy to you?

CIVIL - at this point there is absolutely nothing which seems crazy to me

except a closed mind which continues to pound square pegs into round holes

I cee this. With that Hagakure quote I think he means that we have to be dead to the emotion that engulfs the situation because when we do so, we allow the divine self to manifest and handle the problem. If you look at the Kemetic deity Ausar/Osiris you see him as a mummy. This is because he is ‘dead’ to all physical things making It susceptible to Divine Manifestation.

I guess reincarnation to me it is a bit different. Life (as in the whole picture, multiple incarnations) is a continuous flow and the vibration carried out in one live will follow that of the other.

Basically, the universe is a school system and like we already discussed we obviously have a goal and purpose in here.

I am saying that it is impossible to accomplish this goal in one quick life.

You ever think of it like this?

i used to think of it like that to a certain degree

but this life seems far from quick

that being said
i do disagree with this goal being impossible

if anything
that 'goal' seems to me to be the only guarantee

the universe can be metaphorically seen as a school
we do have a purpose

PEACE

some current thoughts and theories i been dealing with lately are:
1. words and existence
2. the unconvincing nature of physical 'death'
3. jesus' last and most 'important' lesson

all of which seem to fit in with what we been talking about lately

please ADD ON
and let me know if you want me to dive into any of the other theories i been playing with

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

was i that savage?
probly not much more than your ordinary sub-urban white child
that being said - yes
i am finding out more and more each day

Everyone does, my brother!

Are you of an Italian descent?

the same magnetism that pulls everybody toward 'death'

I totally cee this, on both a literal and spiritual level.

i guess it was/is simply my time

This assertion really caught my attention. But, what would determine the cause of "your time"?

I believe that we have an affinity towards pursuing what our soul touched upon in various other incarnations.

I believe that "our time" is closely related to the level of our spiritual experience. The "time" comes when we are ready for it.

This is interesting, definitely add on!

yes
i mean it as literally as when i say water is wet

this is a function of 'infinity'

when you look up at the sky (easier during the night sky)uote]

you see an INFINITE distance
an INFINITE number of stars / planets / whatever
INFINITE - as in there is seemingly no end to the space and number of 'bodies' which we can perceive

one of the functions of this INFINITE space is that there is also an INFINITE number of permutations when you consider relationships between objects in space

which means that there are an INFINITE number of situations where there is a star as big as the SUN and a planet the size of EARTH orbiting at 93 million miles away from it

INFINITE

( - aside - it also means that there are an INFINITE number of situations with a planet 92 million miles away from a star and a planet somewhat bigger or smaller than earth

we wont concern ourselves with that right now)

because of this INFINITE number of sun - earth situations

every possible series of events imagineable that can occur on the earth's surface DOES occur in at least one or more place in the uni/OMNIverse

EVERY SITUATION IMAGINEABLE

all of them

Damn, damn, damn...! This is nice...!

I'm feeling this notion; if there is anything else you could tell me about it, I would love to do the knowledge!

In Quantum Physics, it is said that such infinite possibilities exists on this planet yet we only choose one of them.

You are speaking of the same concept on a much greater scale. I really like this idea!

punishment - i am not so sure if it is punishment - but it is definitely refinement of matter

I used the term "punishment" in the context of the whole "purgatory" analogy. Refinement of self is exactly what I meant.

... semantics get in the way... once again...

i am unclear of the possibility of a 'higher' or 'lower' ego

Pardon the verbal expression. SOUL is the word I wanted to use. When I spoke of 'higher' egos, I meant souls with a greater spiritual skill.

i used to think of it like that to a certain degree

but this life seems far from quick

I agree, but do you ever think about what got you in the current position.

That's why I wanted to incorporate this concept into this build. What propelled us toward the experience we are living now? Was it a past experience?

I see it as cause and effect.

and let me know if you want me to dive into any of the other theories i been playing with

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!

LET'S BUILD!



ONE LOVE

[Healthy Merking]

PEACE

i'll get the hammers out and add on soon

might start a new thread

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

DAMN!

Let's cook it up!