New Proposal for the Secret of Life

[Healthy Merking]

So after years of whatever, this is the best I can come up with at this point:


The 'Secret' of 'Life' (or however you want to refer to this experience) is this:

There is a 'flow of nature'
You can temporarily disrupt this 'flow of nature' and send it in a different direction (other than how it was moving before).
When you do this, it gives you a temporary illusion of control.
Eventually the pressure builds and pops whatever it is that was causing the disruption and the flow of nature is restored.

This can be repeated or not depending on how you feel.



Ill prolly refine this later.

Enjoy.


Please feel free to bash or dismantle.

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

One thing that caught my mind is that the word

TEACHING has the same sound as Te Ching,
or tao te ching,

so i wondered weather or not you could ever say, the teaching of the dao ever had a begining.

but any way,

from THE INNER STRUCTURE OF TAI CHI, by Manitic Chia,

"WU CHI"


"According to Taoist cosmology, before teh universe was made manifest there was a state of total emptiness. In this promordial state, nothing stirred. The relative concept of time did not apply to the primordial state because there was nothing to measure time aginst. All was a void.

THe ancient Taoists gave this state a name. They called it Wu Chi. Wu means "absence," "negation," "nothingness." Even though it is spelled the same way in English as the word that means life force, the "CHI" in Wu CHi is a tatally different word; it means "highest" or"ultimate." WU CHI thus means "ultimate state of nothingness."

Through some unknown implulse, the Wu Chi stirred, and the first moment of creatin began. THe first impulse manifested as chi through the primordial polarity of yin and yang, negative and positive. The imterplay of yin and yang is essential expression of WU Chi. THe Taoists named this process Tai CHi, or "Supreme Ultimate." All the multiplicity of phenomena found in the universe, visible or invisible, are the resulet of yin and yang interaction."

So if it's an unknown impulse,

?

[Healthy Merking]

andreputate said:

unknown impulse,

?

thats the shit right there homie

that is approximately as close as we can come to understanding the whole sha-bang


"why did he do it?"
"it was an unknown impulse"



in this society, we do not have room for unknown impulses

it bugs the shit out of people


a society that depends on words and symbols - classifying and naming



Yacub did this
"Why? Was he evil?"
"No."
"Was it an accident?"
"No."
"Was it because he was bored?"
"No."
"Well what was it then?"
"It was the unknown impulse."


Why is there no comfort to be derived in that?



"All things bad and destructive are the result of a unknown impulse which occurred at some point in the past."

And so the approach becomes one of understanding how to live in a universe where there is unknown impulses, and taking the time to observe what happens when these impulses occur, and what the implications of them are.


Good eye, man.

Good eye.

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

I dont really understand your responce.

What I find to be significent in the "unknown impulse", is that a Daoist master, namely Mantik Chia in passing on information that was given to him through the liniage of Taoist Cosmology, which has it's source at the Ultimate State of Nothingness, (kind of like the United States of America ;D), regards the Wu Chi's "what makes rain hail sleet and earthquates?" as still unknown.

Is it ever knowable?

Lightning---

This impulse preceeds nature, and society follows from nature.

Yacub, I dont follow how he built a race of what ever and all that as a result of an unknown impulse,

when one lashes out or looses control, or tries to controll
that impulse can easily be defined and refined,

But the impulse that made heart of heaven and

[Healthy Merking]

andreputate said:

I dont really understand your responce.

what aspect?

andreputate said:

What I find to be significent in the "unknown impulse", is that a Daoist master, namely Mantik Chia in passing on information that was given to him through the liniage of Taoist Cosmology, which has it's source at the Ultimate State of Nothingness, (kind of like the United States of America ;D), regards the Wu Chi's "what makes rain hail sleet and earthquates?" as still unknown.

Is it ever knowable?

knowable - yes

the question is: can it be defined in words?

answer: apparently no

andreputate said:

Lightning---

This impulse preceeds nature, and society follows from nature.

i dont follow this trail here

maybe you are using nature in a context i am unfamiliar with

andreputate said:

Yacub, I dont follow how he built a race of what ever and all that as a result of an unknown impulse,

why be living in peace and then let loose something like that?

it is the unknown factor in the whole theory:
why would somebody do such a thing?

andreputate said:

when one lashes out or looses control, or tries to controll
that impulse can easily be defined and refined,

agreed

andreputate said:

But the impulse that made heart of heaven and

how do you define the thing that defines?

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

1. Why do you off the bat accosiate the unknown impulse that brings forth creation with the "SOCIETY" and the,

WHY DID HE DO IT?

perhaps the question is why did I associate WHY DID HE DO IT?

with murder?

or crime,

but more so on a higher leavel, why accoiate that wu chi state with humanity, when my question pertains to the creation of creation, and does not limit.

What Manik Chia says below is that the ancient daoists gave the state that braught forth their universe a name. "the WU CHI". He goes on to say that this unknown X, stirred, and the first momenet of creatin began.

So the obvious discussion in a zen state of abstraction is,

What make the ultimate state of nothingness/ negation/ emptyness create a fist moment of creation/ since this state is still consitered unknown, owr origin remains unknown.

and yet it has a name and is regarded farmiliarly.

It's just that the WU CHI state, according to the RULLER ZIG ZAG
ZIG ALLAH wants to be filled, and that is the supposed begining according to the RZA on wu corp back in the Wu Chi days,

But since that state existed with out the presence of time, its existence, despite the manifestation and presence of things, remains, beyond relitive assesments.

I supose the reason you "bring up yacub" is becase for their to exist GOD, their must exist a universe, and for the universe and GOD to coexist, dispite the non existence of negation their must be a manifest witness, to concsider the

you know what I mean.


The presence, of the creator, considering the creation is born from nothing. And the presence is existent.

What mind boggles is that the mind of the nothing, the substence of the nothing felt the need to explain itself with the creation of things and subsequently heaven and earth and subseqently gods and humans etc.

It goes on to show that even though the 0 is empty and compleatly void, the 0 is still feeling and intelgent.

And the only state of peace can exist when the 0 knows and understands it's own nonexistence fully. With out worries or doubts, about the freedom to express the wisdom of the negation of intelegence

but this shit is just too much.

too many things.

Conciter that their is no comfort to be found by beings in the non existence of phenomenena. That the non existence had to pain itself to create, that all creation has the problem of nonbeing to look forward to and the pain of this problem to endure. This shows that the nonexistant intlegence knew and understood the pain of existence before the first moment of creation, and braught us out of it with compassion with wisdom.

And yet he knew about all the pain and suffering that was to come forth.

I guess the best thing I can say is (with hope of future clarification), "The beauty in my nature"" some thing "from mecca, when I make my self equality known to my reflector"...

What I ment when I said LIGHTNING is that the flash light of intlegence is instant, and it comes from the blackness of wisdom, , or some thing.

[Healthy Merking]

andreputate said:

1. Why do you off the bat accosiate the unknown impulse that brings forth creation with the "SOCIETY" and the,

WHY DID HE DO IT?

where are we right now?

andreputate said:

perhaps the question is why did I associate WHY DID HE DO IT?

with murder?

or crime,

but more so on a higher leavel, why accoiate that wu chi state with humanity, when my question pertains to the creation of creation, and does not limit.

as above, so below

andreputate said:

What Manik Chia says below is that the ancient daoists gave the state that braught forth their universe a name. "the WU CHI". He goes on to say that this unknown X, stirred, and the first momenet of creatin began.

So the obvious discussion in a zen state of abstraction is,

What make the ultimate state of nothingness/ negation/ emptyness create a fist moment of creation/[/quoe]
there is no first moment

these things we call 'moments' are not as actual as our calendars might like us to think

andreputate said:

since this state is still consitered unknown, owr origin remains unknown.

there is a difference between unknown and undefinable

you can KNOW it, but there are some things that you can know which cannot be condensed into neat little symbolic packages (words) and transferred from one head to the other

our origin is not unknown
but
it cannot be defined

andreputate said:

and yet it has a name and is regarded farmiliarly.

yes - there are some people who can come to agreement on the state of affairs

andreputate said:

It's just that the WU CHI state, according to the RULLER ZIG ZAG
ZIG ALLAH wants to be filled, and that is the supposed begining according to the RZA on wu corp back in the Wu Chi days,

wants?

like a baby wants milk?
or like a grown man wants a Bentley?

are we assigning human attributes to Wu Chi right here?

andreputate said:

But since that state existed with out the presence of time, its existence, despite the manifestation and presence of things, remains, beyond relitive assesments.

as i said before - i would go a step further and say that it WILL remain 'beyond relative assessment'

andreputate said:

I supose the reason you "bring up yacub" is becase for their to exist GOD, their must exist a universe, and for the universe and GOD to coexist, dispite the non existence of negation their must be a manifest witness, to concsider the

you know what I mean.

its nothing more than a procession of the process of creation

Above and below and beyond and again

we create fictional characters in the same relationship as our 'creator' to us

andreputate said:

The presence, of the creator, considering the creation is born from nothing. And the presence is existent.

between any 2 numbers, there is an infinite number of points

andreputate said:

What mind boggles is that the mind of the nothing, the substence of the nothing felt the need to explain itself with the creation of things and subsequently heaven and earth and subseqently gods and humans etc.

It goes on to show that even though the 0 is empty and compleatly void, the 0 is still feeling and intelgent.

but we have no reason to believe that it isnt just something that is 'doing what it is doing'

the notion of a 'need to explain itself' and the notion of 'feeling' is all very romantic and whimsical

but who is to say that it doesnt get approached with the same clockwork approach as a man in heaven preparing his daily bread?

andreputate said:

And the only state of peace can exist when the 0 knows and understands it's own nonexistence fully. With out worries or doubts, about the freedom to express the wisdom of the negation of intelegence

A real man does not think of victory or defeat. He plunges recklessly towards an irrational death. By doing this, you will awaken from your dreams. - Hagakure

andreputate said:

but this shit is just too much.

too many things.

this dialog is real

this is all really happening

andreputate said:

Conciter that their is no comfort to be found by beings in the non existence of phenomenena. That the non existence had to pain itself to create, that all creation has the problem of nonbeing to look forward to and the pain of this problem to endure. This shows that the nonexistant intlegence knew and understood the pain of existence before the first moment of creation, and braught us out of it with compassion with wisdom.

And yet he knew about all the pain and suffering that was to come forth.

women know ahead of time that childbirth is painful
tho
they dont have the sensation of giving birth to a child when they conceive


it seems that the real understanding would lead one to thrust themselves into the right direction (as i quoted from the Hagakure above) with a firm enough understanding of what is waiting on the other side

and take the lessons learned here with you


only with a full understanding of your responsibilities can you attain your true freedom

the two are linked together like yin/yang

if you give up on your responsibilities, then you will be deprived of your freedom
if you do not demand your freedom, then you will be overcome by the weight of your responsibilities

andreputate said:

I guess the best thing I can say is (with hope of future clarification), "The beauty in my nature"" some thing "from mecca, when I make my self equality known to my reflector"...

endure as much as you can

when you cannot tolerate anymore, then react - but not a moment sooner

andreputate said:

What I ment when I said LIGHTNING is that the flash light of intlegence is instant, and it comes from the blackness of wisdom, , or some thing.

but what does it represent?

the blackness of wisdom sounds nice, but make sure these words you speak graduate out of the realm of poetry and turn into something tangible that you can see wiff your eyes