Post by jonnygemini on Feb 9, 2006 13:01:17 GMT -5
A GUEST EDITORIAL BY OUR OLD PAL YOB'SKI
MOPJ, Safety First! If you are unfamiliar with firearms and are going to purchase and practice with them GET A PROFESSIONAL to help you. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. One little mistake and the consequences could be dire indeed, and in more ways than you can possibly imagine.
Your man Swampwitch is full of shit. This guy obviously has never had to use his coveted Mini-14 in a combat/defense situation of any kind. I agree, the Ruger mini-14 is a fine weapon, they are used extensively by law enforcement and most prison guard towers are manned using these weapons. (Attica?) They also make a GREAT varmint rifle.
They are reliable, accurate, heavy, and DEADLY. They are chambered for the popular but somewhat expensive .223 cal military round (about .50 cents a round for decent, stable, storable ammo). They do NOT however cost $1,000-$2,000 (I can get a new Stainless Steel Mini-14 at the local hardware store for $779.00 and they’ll even throw in a cheap scope). They are NOT very light, especially after you accessorize them with scope, folding stock, flash hider/muzzle brake, etc. They are NOT a good SURVIVAL weapon! Also the addition of Swampwitch's suggested 30 round magazine would add considerable weight especially when using taped or clipped double magazines. The aforementioned cost will add up to Swampwitch's estimates once outfitted with said accessories. Also, contrary to Swampwitch's assertion, they DO KICK!! And they are LOUD as ALL HELL!
If you can't live without the accuracy and lethality of the .223 cartridge, then the Bushmaster AR-15 would be a better choice as it is MUCH lighter than the Ruger and spare parts will be easily found on the enemy. (UN and US troops use the M16) The Bushmaster is a hot-rodded version of Uncle Sam's piece of shit Colt AR-15/M-16, but with highly accurized parts, a composite upper reciever, and a much lower failure rate. Also, accessories and upgrades are more readily available for the Bushmaster. The cost of this weapon is more in line with Swimpwitch's guesstimate of $1-2K. You don't want to carry a Ruger Mini-14 in a survival situation, trust me. You may as well save the money and get an AK47/SKS if you want to drag an anchor around. $1.5-2K could be better spent.
Weapons of choice for urban/wilderness End Times Games will fall into three categories:
1) A handgun of a popular caliber for close-in and/or concealed carry. 9mm or .45ACP semi automatic is the best choice. Some would argue that a revolver is a better choice because if you get a misfire, you can just pull the trigger again and you will have a fresh round chambered (provided the pistol is double action). If you think you can get the job done in six rounds, get a revolver. The reason for my choice here is the availability of "found ammo", and rapid fire capabilities.
Most SWAT teams and Secret Service use the H-K MP5. These are 9mm rapid/select fire weapons designed for close in assault and supressive fire. Most cops use 9mm pistols. A laser is a cool thing to have because once you get used to the feel of the thing in your hand, and the bio-feedback of hand position vs. target becomes second nature, you will never need the laser again. This takes quite a bit of practice, but once acquired, is a skill you will never lose. How do you think some of these guitar players can grind through endless sets whilst drunk/stoned off their asses?? You pound it into the neurons! A reflex! No brain involvement at all..
I digress....
Ruger, H-K, Beretta, Sig Sauer (the Cadillac!), and Browning are best choices. Glocks look cool but they are junk, don't even look at them, they are too light to be accurate, are expensive, and have cheap parts. They are also known to accidently discharge at inopportune moments. There are also some brands that are considered throw aways but are really good bargains. These would be Taurus, Hi-Point etc.
Some would argue that the 9mm lacks the stopping power of the .45ACP. Tell them to buy a box of 9mm "hydra shock" ammo at a gun show. This round is designed to "mushroom" perfectly, causing the maximum energy transfer and tissue damage. Same as the .45, but more rounds, less weight.
High capacity magazines are available everywhere, and you can easily have multiple 16-30 round clips at your disposal with the addition of a few of these. They also balance the pistol in a unique way adding to accuracy. BTW... NEVER hold the fucking thing sideways like you see in the movies. This shit may look cool on TV but did you ever wonder why so many innocents die in drive-bys? That's because these dumb fuckers NEVER PRACTICE and couldn't hit the broadside of a fucking barn if they were standing on it. Always hold a firearm properly!!
2) A short barreled (18-1/2" is legal) pump shotgun of popular gauge for home defense, close-in intimidation and sure termination of target. 12 gauge OO buckshot makes for a messy, oozy corpse, and few survive on the business end. Depending on the length of the chamber 2-3/4" - 3-1/2" MAGNUMS will dispense (in one shot) anywhere from 9-15 lead pellets about the size of .38 cal slugs in a pattern determined by the distance to target and the length/choke of the barrel. THIS WILL WRECK SHIT!!! The ammo is cheap and plentiful and in some cases you will NEVER have to fire the thing. Trust me here... If you were stalking outside somebody's house and you heard that unmistakable SCHCLICK SCHLOCK of the pump on a "GAUGE" would you stick around??? Fuck no.. not if you had any sense.
The Winchester model 1300 (under $250) is an affordable, reliable home defense weapon and can be wielded by even the most squeamish of wives and girlfriends. Just pop off the safety, point the fucker in the general direction of the perp, and hang on tight! These things WILL disperse the threat... all over the fucking place. These bastards kick like a bull moose, and are Very LOUD! Mossberg, Remington and Browning are ALL good shotguns, and remember, do not beat, berate or otherwise abuse your spouse or girlfriend after teaching her to shoot one.
3) A lightweight accurate rifle of popular (cheap) caliber for bagging small game and scoring head/neck shots at distance. For this (and many may disagree), I recommend the mighty .22LR. Oh yeah, I can hear your readers ROTFLTA'sO, but hear me out...
The ammo is CHEAP!!!! Let me say that again for clarity The ammo is CHEEAAAPPP!! 500 rounds cost about $8, and you can put all 500 rounds in the pocket of your jacket. Try that with the .223. Practice all afternoon for TEN BUCKS!!! A middle of the road .22 rifle with a decent scope and a few extra magazines will run you about $200-$350, leaving plenty of $$$ left to buy the other two pieces and some ammo for ALL of them.
I personally recommend the Ruger (yes Ruger) 10/22. This little dynamo is one of the best built most accurate and POPULAR of all the .22 rifles. They DO NOT KICK!! The recoil feels like a little tug on your shoulder and it is so well balanced that if you get your rhythm right, the cross hairs will settle right back on the bulls-eye in less than a microsecond, allowing the crafty, PRACTICED shootist to land two, three, maybe more rounds on nearly the same spot! More is better. I get nice tight groups at 100yds with a stock model. 50 Round mags are now available, fit without modification, and a shooter can EASILY carry 4 or 5 of these and still do the hundred in 13 flat through the underbrush.
Bolt action rifles are much more accurate that their semi-auto counterparts, but may lead to problems where speed and spare parts come into play. A savvy, practiced shooter can do much more damage with a semi-auto .22LR with energy and rounds to spare. The cartridge may seem small, but the bullet is actually the SAME SIZE as Swampwitch's .223 (.22?) With hollowpoints and cool nerves you will prevail. The rifles are lightweight, durable, CHEAP, and easy to clean and maintain.
Remeber, in an "endgame" situation you will be looking for your arms/ammo on the steaming corpses of your recent targets. You want to have on hand weapons chambered for the ammo most likely to be found on the enemy. POPULARITY IS KEY!! AK47/SKS (7.62X39mm) remains the MOST POPULAR IN THE ENTIRE WORLD and will be found most often!! So why buy when you can scavenge.
YOP Swampwitch is probably typical of the macho urban survivalist types who lie in the midst of their gun collections and masturbate. They can't wait to amaze and intimidate their friends by showing off the whole collection everytime their friends stop by for a few beers, which is a really dumb fucking thing to do, especially if one of them gets jealous, or pissed off at you. Their Achilles Heel will be a choice between ammo and perhaps water or other necessities when the shit hits the fan and they have to "bug-out" and remain on the run. They probably own enough guns to outfit the entire neighborhood, but won't be able to make a sound decision in a snap as to which one to grab when the time comes. If he's not typical, fuck him anyway. I wouldn't want him on my team, and besides, my dogs will be hungry. If he's still in the city amongst the "crackheads" he's doomed anyway.
As mentioned above, don't be a fool and show them off to every friend and casual acquaintance. You never know when one of them will get arrested and start singing the praises of your personal defenses to the man.
A freind of mine once quipped: "I'd rather be caught with one than without one."
Happy hunting!
Cheers,
YOPBski
MOPJ, Safety First! If you are unfamiliar with firearms and are going to purchase and practice with them GET A PROFESSIONAL to help you. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. One little mistake and the consequences could be dire indeed, and in more ways than you can possibly imagine.
Your man Swampwitch is full of shit. This guy obviously has never had to use his coveted Mini-14 in a combat/defense situation of any kind. I agree, the Ruger mini-14 is a fine weapon, they are used extensively by law enforcement and most prison guard towers are manned using these weapons. (Attica?) They also make a GREAT varmint rifle.
They are reliable, accurate, heavy, and DEADLY. They are chambered for the popular but somewhat expensive .223 cal military round (about .50 cents a round for decent, stable, storable ammo). They do NOT however cost $1,000-$2,000 (I can get a new Stainless Steel Mini-14 at the local hardware store for $779.00 and they’ll even throw in a cheap scope). They are NOT very light, especially after you accessorize them with scope, folding stock, flash hider/muzzle brake, etc. They are NOT a good SURVIVAL weapon! Also the addition of Swampwitch's suggested 30 round magazine would add considerable weight especially when using taped or clipped double magazines. The aforementioned cost will add up to Swampwitch's estimates once outfitted with said accessories. Also, contrary to Swampwitch's assertion, they DO KICK!! And they are LOUD as ALL HELL!
If you can't live without the accuracy and lethality of the .223 cartridge, then the Bushmaster AR-15 would be a better choice as it is MUCH lighter than the Ruger and spare parts will be easily found on the enemy. (UN and US troops use the M16) The Bushmaster is a hot-rodded version of Uncle Sam's piece of shit Colt AR-15/M-16, but with highly accurized parts, a composite upper reciever, and a much lower failure rate. Also, accessories and upgrades are more readily available for the Bushmaster. The cost of this weapon is more in line with Swimpwitch's guesstimate of $1-2K. You don't want to carry a Ruger Mini-14 in a survival situation, trust me. You may as well save the money and get an AK47/SKS if you want to drag an anchor around. $1.5-2K could be better spent.
Weapons of choice for urban/wilderness End Times Games will fall into three categories:
1) A handgun of a popular caliber for close-in and/or concealed carry. 9mm or .45ACP semi automatic is the best choice. Some would argue that a revolver is a better choice because if you get a misfire, you can just pull the trigger again and you will have a fresh round chambered (provided the pistol is double action). If you think you can get the job done in six rounds, get a revolver. The reason for my choice here is the availability of "found ammo", and rapid fire capabilities.
Most SWAT teams and Secret Service use the H-K MP5. These are 9mm rapid/select fire weapons designed for close in assault and supressive fire. Most cops use 9mm pistols. A laser is a cool thing to have because once you get used to the feel of the thing in your hand, and the bio-feedback of hand position vs. target becomes second nature, you will never need the laser again. This takes quite a bit of practice, but once acquired, is a skill you will never lose. How do you think some of these guitar players can grind through endless sets whilst drunk/stoned off their asses?? You pound it into the neurons! A reflex! No brain involvement at all..
I digress....
Ruger, H-K, Beretta, Sig Sauer (the Cadillac!), and Browning are best choices. Glocks look cool but they are junk, don't even look at them, they are too light to be accurate, are expensive, and have cheap parts. They are also known to accidently discharge at inopportune moments. There are also some brands that are considered throw aways but are really good bargains. These would be Taurus, Hi-Point etc.
Some would argue that the 9mm lacks the stopping power of the .45ACP. Tell them to buy a box of 9mm "hydra shock" ammo at a gun show. This round is designed to "mushroom" perfectly, causing the maximum energy transfer and tissue damage. Same as the .45, but more rounds, less weight.
High capacity magazines are available everywhere, and you can easily have multiple 16-30 round clips at your disposal with the addition of a few of these. They also balance the pistol in a unique way adding to accuracy. BTW... NEVER hold the fucking thing sideways like you see in the movies. This shit may look cool on TV but did you ever wonder why so many innocents die in drive-bys? That's because these dumb fuckers NEVER PRACTICE and couldn't hit the broadside of a fucking barn if they were standing on it. Always hold a firearm properly!!
2) A short barreled (18-1/2" is legal) pump shotgun of popular gauge for home defense, close-in intimidation and sure termination of target. 12 gauge OO buckshot makes for a messy, oozy corpse, and few survive on the business end. Depending on the length of the chamber 2-3/4" - 3-1/2" MAGNUMS will dispense (in one shot) anywhere from 9-15 lead pellets about the size of .38 cal slugs in a pattern determined by the distance to target and the length/choke of the barrel. THIS WILL WRECK SHIT!!! The ammo is cheap and plentiful and in some cases you will NEVER have to fire the thing. Trust me here... If you were stalking outside somebody's house and you heard that unmistakable SCHCLICK SCHLOCK of the pump on a "GAUGE" would you stick around??? Fuck no.. not if you had any sense.
The Winchester model 1300 (under $250) is an affordable, reliable home defense weapon and can be wielded by even the most squeamish of wives and girlfriends. Just pop off the safety, point the fucker in the general direction of the perp, and hang on tight! These things WILL disperse the threat... all over the fucking place. These bastards kick like a bull moose, and are Very LOUD! Mossberg, Remington and Browning are ALL good shotguns, and remember, do not beat, berate or otherwise abuse your spouse or girlfriend after teaching her to shoot one.
3) A lightweight accurate rifle of popular (cheap) caliber for bagging small game and scoring head/neck shots at distance. For this (and many may disagree), I recommend the mighty .22LR. Oh yeah, I can hear your readers ROTFLTA'sO, but hear me out...
The ammo is CHEAP!!!! Let me say that again for clarity The ammo is CHEEAAAPPP!! 500 rounds cost about $8, and you can put all 500 rounds in the pocket of your jacket. Try that with the .223. Practice all afternoon for TEN BUCKS!!! A middle of the road .22 rifle with a decent scope and a few extra magazines will run you about $200-$350, leaving plenty of $$$ left to buy the other two pieces and some ammo for ALL of them.
I personally recommend the Ruger (yes Ruger) 10/22. This little dynamo is one of the best built most accurate and POPULAR of all the .22 rifles. They DO NOT KICK!! The recoil feels like a little tug on your shoulder and it is so well balanced that if you get your rhythm right, the cross hairs will settle right back on the bulls-eye in less than a microsecond, allowing the crafty, PRACTICED shootist to land two, three, maybe more rounds on nearly the same spot! More is better. I get nice tight groups at 100yds with a stock model. 50 Round mags are now available, fit without modification, and a shooter can EASILY carry 4 or 5 of these and still do the hundred in 13 flat through the underbrush.
Bolt action rifles are much more accurate that their semi-auto counterparts, but may lead to problems where speed and spare parts come into play. A savvy, practiced shooter can do much more damage with a semi-auto .22LR with energy and rounds to spare. The cartridge may seem small, but the bullet is actually the SAME SIZE as Swampwitch's .223 (.22?) With hollowpoints and cool nerves you will prevail. The rifles are lightweight, durable, CHEAP, and easy to clean and maintain.
Remeber, in an "endgame" situation you will be looking for your arms/ammo on the steaming corpses of your recent targets. You want to have on hand weapons chambered for the ammo most likely to be found on the enemy. POPULARITY IS KEY!! AK47/SKS (7.62X39mm) remains the MOST POPULAR IN THE ENTIRE WORLD and will be found most often!! So why buy when you can scavenge.
YOP Swampwitch is probably typical of the macho urban survivalist types who lie in the midst of their gun collections and masturbate. They can't wait to amaze and intimidate their friends by showing off the whole collection everytime their friends stop by for a few beers, which is a really dumb fucking thing to do, especially if one of them gets jealous, or pissed off at you. Their Achilles Heel will be a choice between ammo and perhaps water or other necessities when the shit hits the fan and they have to "bug-out" and remain on the run. They probably own enough guns to outfit the entire neighborhood, but won't be able to make a sound decision in a snap as to which one to grab when the time comes. If he's not typical, fuck him anyway. I wouldn't want him on my team, and besides, my dogs will be hungry. If he's still in the city amongst the "crackheads" he's doomed anyway.
As mentioned above, don't be a fool and show them off to every friend and casual acquaintance. You never know when one of them will get arrested and start singing the praises of your personal defenses to the man.
A freind of mine once quipped: "I'd rather be caught with one than without one."
Happy hunting!
Cheers,
YOPBski