Who are the Assassins?

[Tamahu]

Peace!

Long time no talk. ;D

It seems that Hashash who use to moderate here was an Isma'ili, no?

Anyway, let's see if we can fit the pieces together more...

First of all, if I'm not mistaken, according to Alexander Berzin, a Buddhist and translator for the Dalai Lama, there are two Isma'ili sects: One that accepts the Manichaean Prophet Mani and/or also the Mahdi, and one that does not accept the Manichaean Prophet Mani and/or also the Mahdi? I can't remember. Of course Mani and the Mahdi are not one and the same, although they are both very relevant. The Manichaeans were/are a Gnostic sect as were/are the Isma'ili Assassins, the latter of whom studied a Gnostic Masonry including Platonism, Pythagoras, etc. with Nine Degrees. I believe they were mainly active in Persia, Egypt, Baghdad, and Syria. And of course they are said to have transmitted knowledge to Europe through the Knights Templar.


On Alamut(which Godfrey Higgins refers to as Almont, be sure to Google Almont and Godfrey Higgins if you don't already have his books):

www.ismaili.net/mirrors/26_alamut/alamut.htm


What about the Aga Khan lineage? They are said to be blood descendants of the Prophet Muhammad himself if I'm not mistaken(note that Khan is both a Sufi title and Mongolian title).

www.ismaili.net/

www.theismaili.org/

www.ismaili.net/mirrors/Ikhwan_04/brotherpur.html

www.antiqillum.org/texts/bg/Qadosh/qadosh032.htm


I can't say that the research of Alexander Berzin here is, or is not accurate, however it is obviously well researched and full of info on the relationship between Kalachakra Buddhism and Islam that you won't find anywhere else:

Alexander Berzin

By the way, Kala means Black and is another name for Shiva and is related to Time and the Planet Saturn. Kali being the feminine counterpart of Shiva(not to be necessarily confused with Shiva's Shakti who is Parvati). So the Buddhist Deity Mahakala would literally be the "Great Black Shiva".



The Yazid or Yezidi are said to be the holders of the Sumerian Tree of Life teachings....

www.yeziditruth.org/


Pay attention to Sheikh Adi. "Adi" or "Ati" is also the name for the Highest Tantra Yoga of Buddhism, and "Anu"(see the Anunians written about by Muata Ashby) being a God of the Sumerians, is also the Second Highest Tantra Yoga of Buddhism. The Peacock Angel of Yezidi seems to be the "Christus-Lucifer" of the Christian Gnostics.

Peacock feathers are important symbols in both Bonpo Lamaism and Buddhist Lamaism, and many High Lamas are now admitting a direct connection between Zoroastrianism and Bonpo. The Tibetans and people of Zhang-Zhung have a history about "the Little Black Headed Man" being one of the first Gods of their people, and we know that the Sumerians were known as the Black Headed Ones.

Back when I was reading a lot of Samael Aun Weor's Gnostic teachings, I posted some interesting stuff here in relation to : "The King of the World", Prester John, Ethiopia, and Tibet(these four terms are all connected):

Ethiopia, Tibet, and Prester John


Some Myspace links:

www.myspace.com/smokelessfire

www.myspace.com/ismaili_hashashin

www.myspace.com/kabbalisticorderofbaphomet



Forgive my dry writing and lack of eloquence. I'm tired and didn't have a lot of time to put this all together.

[Longevity]

Well put I would say. Good info. Thanks for posting and welcome back brother Mahu...

[Tamahu]

Peace Longevity. You're welcome, and thanks.

Although I prefer Tamahu. In Hawaiian, "Mahu" means something I don't want to be called. Tama-hu sounds a lot better.

Anyway,...


www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/e-books/unpublished_manuscripts/historical_interaction/pt3/history_cultures_15.html

"...Even if one were to interpret the Kalachakra Tantra in this way, the non-Indic forces, led by Mahdi, would not have referred to Muslims in general. Although the textual description of the customs of these forces indicates an Islamic affiliation, such as the halal slaughter of cattle and circumcision, the list of their prophets includes eight teachers. Seven comprise the standard Ismaili Shia list, and the additional figure is Mani, indicating, perhaps, an association with the Manichaean and Manichaean Shiite converts to Ismaili Shia. The other Shia sects, as well as Sunni, assert a list of twenty-five prophets and their list does not include Mahdi, which the Ismaili list does."



www.terrorism-illuminati.com/book/assassins.html

"...Finally, in the ninth degree, the (Isma'ili)adept was shown that all religious teaching was allegorical, and that religious laws need be observed only to maintain order, while he who understands the truth may disregard all such constraints."


This sounds a lot like the teachings of the Ninth Vehicle of Buddhism, known as Ati Yoga, Mahasandhi, Dzogchen, etc.


vajranatha.com/teaching/BonpoDzogchen.htm

The Origin of Dzogchen

"Just as in the case of the Nyingmapas among the Tibetan Buddhists, the Bonpo tradition possesses as its highest teaching the system of contemplation known as Dzogchen, "the Great Perfection," (rdogs-pa chen-po). These teachings reveal in one's immediate experience the Primordial State (ye gzhi) of the individual, that is to say, the individual's inherent Buddha-nature or Bodhichitta, which is beyond all time and conditioning and conceptual limitations. This Natural State (gnas-lugs) is spoken of in terms of its intrinsic primordial purity (ka-dag) and its spontaneous perfection in manifestation (lhun-grub). Both the Buddhist Nyingmapas and the Bonpos assert that their respective Dzogchen traditions were brought to Central Tibet in the eighth century, the Nyingmapa transmission from the Mahasiddha Shrisimha in living in Northern India and the Bonpo transmission from a line of Mahasiddhas dwelling around Mount Kailas and the lake country of Zhang-zhung to the west and north of Tibet. Thus there appear to exist two different historically authentic lineages for the transmission of these teachings..."


"...When taught as an independent vehicle, Dzogchen practice does not require any antecedent process of Tantric transformation of the practitioner into a deity, and so on, before entering into the state of even contemplation (mnyam-bzhag). [37] So it would appear that, according to the Nyingmapa tradition at least, Dzogchen originated as an Upadesha that elucidated a state of contemplation or intrinsic Awareness (rig-pa) that transcedended the Tantric process of transformation alone, both in terms of generation and of perfection. Therefore, it became known as the "great perfection," that is to say, the state of total perfection and completion where nothing is lacking..."


..."Just to the west of Zhang-zhung there once existed the vast Kushana empire which was Buddhist in its religious culture. It was an area in which Indian Buddhism interacted with various strands of Iranian religion-- Zoroastrian, Zurvanist, Mithraist, Manichean, as well as Indian Shaivism and Nestorian Christianity. This was also true of the oasis cities of the Silk Route to the northeast of Zhang-zhung such as Kashgar. Some scholars have seen this region beyond India as playing a key role in the development of certain aspects of Mahayana Buddhism, and later also in the development of Tantric form of Buddhism known as Vajrayana. [40] For example, the revelation of the Guhyasamaja Tantra is said to have occurred to king Indrabhuti in Uddiyana and was later brought to India proper by the Mahasiddhas Saraha and Nagarjuna. [41] Moreover, the Kalachakra Tantra is said to have been brought from Shambhala in Central Asia to Nalanda in India in the tenth century by the Mahasiddha Tsilupa. [42] The Bonpos came to identify this Shambhala with Olmo Lungring itself. [43] All this suggests that certain trends within Yungdrung Bon, rather than being later plagiarisms and imitations of Indian Buddhism concocted in the tenth century, actually do go back to a kind of syncretistic Indo-Iranian Buddhism that once flourished in the independent kingdom of Zhang-zhung before it was forcibly incorporated into the expanding Tibetan empire in the eighth century. This "Buddhism", known as gyer in the Zhang-zhung language and as bon in the Tibetan, was not particularly monastic, but more Tantric in nature and its diffusion was stimulated by the presence of various Mahasiddhas in the region such as the illustrious Tapihritsa and his predecessors dwelling in caves about Mount Kailas and about the lakes to the east in Northern Tibet. Even into this century, Kailas remained an important site of pilgrimage drawing Hindu sadhus and yogis from India. [44]"

[CIVILISON]

Peace Tamahu!

This is nuts! Def good info brother... respect!

First off welcome back, it's been a while. We've had some good activity in the recent past and now it's def good to see you on here again contributing.

As to your material of research what I can say myself is that it is not surprising that all these cultures had a similar system of spiritual/metaphysic thought. Like they say in many cultures: the one created the two, the two created the three the three created everything, it all stems from the one source. The Indus Valley, the Sumerians, the Kamau and Caral/pre-columbian civilizations by my research had similar spiritualities. From these 4 corners of the earth the sciences spread through time and culture. In one way or another all religions and spiritualities are somehow related.

The regions on earth to which you referred are especially rich in the mix of spiritual systems present there yet in my eyes they all connect in one way or another.

As for the Dzogchen i see similarites with Amen-the Hidden-te No Thing Ness-Kether (although in the paut neteru the first sphere is the second after sphere 0 which takes it to absolute nothingess) the primordial undifferentiated state.

I wasn't even aware of the existence of the cult of the Yezdis. That's good stuff.

The lesson i draw from this is that the patter for esoteric divinity is similar in a lot of schools of thought so all types of people all over the globe study seemingly different yet totally relative systems of thinking.

Good look on these jewels Tamahu, def hope to see more from you here.

PEACE

PS: I dunno if Hashash was a Isma'ili, brejin was deep tho...

[Tamahu]

Peace Civilison

I'm not sure how much time I'll have to add-on here, but I'll try to every now and then!

[CIVILISON]

do what you can when you can g

emanate=absorb

thx

peace