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Post by .-<(B.1.6.6.E.R.)>-. on Jun 20, 2009 21:19:01 GMT -5
Do we want to be perceived and received by people as being righteous, good, knowledgeable, etc....
does this want get in the way of us achieving our full potential ?
why do we study and work our mind out ?
so people can say "ohhh look at his mental muscles"
mst of us will say "no, thats not what i do it for"
but how much thought have we really given it ?
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 20, 2009 21:31:49 GMT -5
to me it's simple i want to be perceived the way i am, no sugar coating. striving for perfection but making mistakes.
on a universal level i think we should be perceived as the trusted builders of the genuine world.
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Post by Tamahu on Jun 21, 2009 9:47:15 GMT -5
I realize now that my postings on various forums over the years were mainly a validation-seeking thing for me because I never really was able to meet like-minded people in "real-life". When I was first introduced to esoteric concepts, my whole life shifted yet I still transposed my validation-seeking ways from before onto the internet.
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Jun 26, 2009 19:28:41 GMT -5
Yeah, but a lot of the ideas you put forth were brand new to me and were eye opening if not enlightening.
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Post by .-<(B.1.6.6.E.R.)>-. on Jun 28, 2009 18:39:37 GMT -5
but what is the goal in sharing what you have picked up and turned into knowledge ?
what happens to the student when what he/she has learned is challenged ?
do they listen to the challenger and add more to what they have learned, or do they attack the challenger to make that challenger submit to what he/she has learned ?
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Post by Longevity on Jun 29, 2009 11:50:03 GMT -5
All of the Above
If you only want to be perceived and received by people as being anything then your not worth your salt in the first place and you will never achieving any higher understanding. These are called Lip Professors.
Are you asking these questions because your battling inside with why YOU do study?
I answered this one two questions above.
But it's funny you put it that way because Shah can be seen that way sometime if you don't understand what he's doing. Good thing I do.
But that's the point. If you don't evaluate why you're taking this step from the very beginning and always spot check yourself (reflect) to cee if you're still on your path then you're not going to get far no matter how much you study and think that you know.
Even if you didn't do this early on and you find yourself years even decades into this and find yourself at this place. If you can't get past how people cee and like(hell even dislike) you then you're doing it for nothing and it may not be for you.
My 2 pennies.
LP&H
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Post by .-<(B.1.6.6.E.R.)>-. on Jun 29, 2009 19:07:56 GMT -5
Are you asking these questions because your battling inside with why YOU do study? But it's funny you put it that way because Shah can be seen that way sometime if you don't understand what he's doing. Good thing I do. Even if you didn't do this early on and you find yourself years even decades into this and find yourself at this place. If you can get past it being how people cee and like(hell even dislike) you then you're doing it for nothing and it may not be for you. My 2 pennies. LP&H how do WE want to be perceived - i'm checking me and wish for everyone else to check themselves - for those who might not have looked at it this way,know you should be able to see it - those of US who are already doing the self check, guides those who may not know what a self check is - is how people view you important ? |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 29, 2009 19:21:01 GMT -5
important - yes
keep in mind the layers of perspective tho -
'how people view you' relies heavily on how you perceive them 'viewing you' -
i know a lot of people who have exaggerated senses of how they are viewed -
a lot of times, you hear people say 'they hate me'
when the reality of the situation is that they dont even think about you enough to hate you
(not general 'you' - not anybody in specific here)
dont mean to switch topics - but this is a similar ailment to what seems to plague a lot of 'conspiracy theorists' that i have known throughout my life time
it is a lot of fun to imagine that there is a universal plot aimed at you and you specifically...
but...
um...
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Post by .-<(B.1.6.6.E.R.)>-. on Jun 29, 2009 20:55:07 GMT -5
'how people view you' relies heavily on how you perceive them 'viewing you' - nice - our perception of what they say about us can be distorted at times - it is a lot of fun to imagine that there is a universal plot aimed at you and you specifically... but... um... its easy to imagine this when you are among the hunted - it does build some level of anxiety - and it often ends up in the victim of it pushing everyone away in order to protect ones self, unknowingly at that - what a mess |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 30, 2009 0:03:25 GMT -5
we are all being hunted
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Post by Longevity on Jun 30, 2009 0:50:30 GMT -5
I just re-looked at what you first posted and I don't know if you were asking how we as a site want to be preceived or we a individuals...
If it was as a site then I must say that we should be looked at prominate source of enlightenment online with a light hearted feel. That's why I want to add more entertainment to the knowledge that we kick that way no one gets tried of being on the site even if their brain is fatigued knowledge wise.
As individuals we should never care how people preceive us but should want to be preceived in the best light a possible (key word possible)
Singling out Shah wasn't a bad thing. Simply put Shah can be seen as a muscle head in regards to knowledge. B.u.t. that's not a bad things especially when he is very approachable.
If people think that you have 'great knowledge muscles' they're going to look at it like 1) Who the fuck do they think they are? 2) I respect them a lot for their scholarship 3) a dick riding knowledge groupie
I'm sure Shah have come across this many a time considering how big his mental muscle is.
True Indeed. This is exactly why each one should teach one and Proper Education Always Corrects Errors
For me personally. Fuck no. As long as you respect me then I could give a fuck how someone cees me.
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Post by Tamahu on Jun 30, 2009 16:01:55 GMT -5
'how people view you' relies heavily on how you perceive them 'viewing you' - i know a lot of people who have exaggerated senses of how they are viewed - a lot of times, you hear people say 'they hate me' when the reality of the situation is that they dont even think about you enough to hate you (not general 'you' - not anybody in specific here) Even though what you say here is at least partly self-evident, my 'conscious mind' just realized some of the truth in it not too long ago. Although my 'sub-conscious mind' is still having a hard time seeing it. |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jul 1, 2009 11:47:25 GMT -5
'how people view you' relies heavily on how you perceive them 'viewing you' - i know a lot of people who have exaggerated senses of how they are viewed - a lot of times, you hear people say 'they hate me' when the reality of the situation is that they dont even think about you enough to hate you (not general 'you' - not anybody in specific here) Even though what you say here is at least partly self-evident, my 'conscious mind' just realized some of the truth in it not too long ago. Although my 'sub-conscious mind' is still having a hard time seeing it. yes - there is a difference in intellectually recognizing something as being 'true', and really feeling the impact of what this truth is - we describe this difference as the transition from knowledge to understanding us who have lived years deprived of knowledge - it takes years for it to penetrate thru years of bullshit we learn patterns of movement and 'knee-jerk reactions' - it takes time for those channels to either die off or be diverted to different directions we are talking about erosion and irrigation here - there is no self-help book in the world that can immediately change a person's ways and actions it takes time Peace |
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jul 4, 2009 7:03:35 GMT -5
Even though what you say here is at least partly self-evident, my 'conscious mind' just realized some of the truth in it not too long ago. Although my 'sub-conscious mind' is still having a hard time seeing it. yes - there is a difference in intellectually recognizing something as being 'true', and really feeling the impact of what this truth is - we describe this difference as the transition from knowledge to understanding us who have lived years deprived of knowledge - it takes years for it to penetrate thru years of bullshit we learn patterns of movement and 'knee-jerk reactions' - it takes time for those channels to either die off or be diverted to different directions we are talking about erosion and irrigation here - there is no self-help book in the world that can immediately change a person's ways and actions it takes time Peace Simply amazing. I've sat back and watched this thread progress, with great interest. As it's been stated here, the downfall to external perception, is when it supercedes internal perception. PEACE |
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Post by .-<(B.1.6.6.E.R.)>-. on Jul 4, 2009 12:14:55 GMT -5
let us just look
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