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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 15, 2005 11:43:39 GMT -5
PEACE
during my walk yesterday
it occurred to me that i have been wrestling with a search for meaning throughout my spiritual journey
but it has seemed as tho everytime i thought i found meaning
it seemed to be leading me to a tragic situation - either for me and / or for those around me (and myself)
at which time i would steer away from this tragic outcome
scrap the meaning i thought i had found
and go back to square one:
searching for meaning
this cycle has repeated itself over and over again
yesterday it finally occurred to me that
meaning and tragedy
(*note: i define 'tragedy' as something that ends)
have a very similar relationship as
good and evil
basically:
in order for something to have meaning
it must have an end (tragedy)
in terms of life: this means death
if you want to live a life without tragedy
then you must sacrifice meaning
thus the question i ask myself:
which is more terrifying?
death?
or a life without meaning?
it does not look like it is possible to have both
and in order to enter the gates of heaven
you have to leave your meaning behind
PEACE
ADD ON
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Aug 16, 2005 9:30:30 GMT -5
Ive been meaning to do something all my life. What was it?
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Post by CIVILISON on Aug 16, 2005 10:10:18 GMT -5
Peace LIGHT! It continues to amaze me how deep and creative your thinking is. I’ve been thinking about something of a similar nature; tragedy and death… hmm. Your perceptions of these concepts are really intriguing. To me, things that come to and end and those of a physical substance. The physical realm is the reflection of the subjective – infinite vs. finite. Things that come to an end are bound to physical rules and limitations. So yes, those that have some “meaning” must be the things we interact with and encounter on a physical level. But can we give meaning to something that is meaningless? Do you define life as the coordination of physical events or the expression of the Divine THROUGH the coordination of physical events? Remember, we are but a tool! In these terms, tragedy and death take a whole different meaning. To me, tragedy and death are counterparts, same as we were discussing evil and good. I see death as detachment from physical/emotional things. One of the Kemetian Gods is depicted as a mummy. This is not because he is dead but because he is dead to all physical things as they do not affect him. In this way, we can manifest the divine self. The things that come on a physical level pass by; IT learns from them.  Tragedy is mandatory obstruction. Things we are attached to can be those things that we attribute meaning to. Be it your job, work, house, friends or even your family! At the same time these things steer us away from our main job. Therefore, life without “death” or “tragedy” is not a life as that “tragedy” (at least to me) in terms of the whole is indeed what gets us to heaven! In order to get to heaven, we must strip off the ego and manifest the meaningless! Through tragedy we learn (or at least should be learning) how to do just that! As a matter of fact, my current situation requires me to do so as some things come to an end! Add on... PEACE! |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 16, 2005 16:47:41 GMT -5
Peace LIGHT! It continues to amaze me how deep and creative your thinking is. I’ve been thinking about something of a similar nature; tragedy and death… hmm. Your perceptions of these concepts are really intriguing. To me, things that come to and end and those of a physical substance. The physical realm is the reflection of the subjective – infinite vs. finite. Things that come to an end are bound to physical rules and limitations. So yes, those that have some “meaning” must be the things we interact with and encounter on a physical level. But can we give meaning to something that is meaningless? Do you define life as the coordination of physical events or the expression of the Divine THROUGH the coordination of physical events? Remember, we are but a tool! In these terms, tragedy and death take a whole different meaning. To me, tragedy and death are counterparts, same as we were discussing evil and good. I see death as detachment from physical/emotional things. One of the Kemetian Gods is depicted as a mummy. This is not because he is dead but because he is dead to all physical things as they do not affect him. In this way, we can manifest the divine self. The things that come on a physical level pass by; IT learns from them. Tragedy is mandatory obstruction. Things we are attached to can be those things that we attribute meaning to. Be it your job, work, house, friends or even your family! At the same time these things steer us away from our main job. Therefore, life without “death” or “tragedy” is not a life as that “tragedy” (at least to me) in terms of the whole is indeed what gets us to heaven! In order to get to heaven, we must strip off the ego and manifest the meaningless! Through tragedy we learn (or at least should be learning) how to do just that! As a matter of fact, my current situation requires me to do so as some things come to an end! Add on... PEACE! PEACE does this suggest that if thru tragedy we learn to take meaning out of our lives then we can achieve heaven on the physical level? PEACE |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 16, 2005 16:52:49 GMT -5
PEACE does this suggest that if thru tragedy we learn to take meaning out of our lives then we can achieve heaven on the physical level? PEACE PEACE but LHX what is the point of physical heaven if there is no meaning? if there is no meaning then does that mean we are already there? and it is just a matter of finishing up the process? PEACE |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 16, 2005 16:56:56 GMT -5
PEACE but LHX what is the point of physical heaven if there is no meaning? if there is no meaning then does that mean we are already there? and it is just a matter of finishing up the process? PEACE PEACE hmmm... i am glad you asked that i guess the real question would be: what have learned and developed thru the whole process? the process: being burdened with the illusion of meaning end tragedy fear i am not sure what the answer to this question is BUT i believe it would have something to do with us perpetuating the cycle that is: to create something feed it illusion and let it go thru the same process that we have gone thru but as i said: i am not certain PEACE |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 16, 2005 16:58:07 GMT -5
PEACE
so
if that DOES happen to be the case
then what would you say the role of the individual is during this time?
PEACE
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 16, 2005 17:03:22 GMT -5
PEACE so if that DOES happen to be the case then what would you say the role of the individual is during this time? PEACE PEACE another good question this is what has been baffling me also a reason why as could be seen in the crowley thread some people whom i found to be disreputable in the past seem to be making a bit more sense if the process is headed in a certain direction -- one that cannot be stopped -- does it not stand to reason that an intelligent (righteous?) person would do well to help speed up the process namely to spread confusion? spread the trick knowledge thicker than it has ever been before? to see who REALLY is righteous? or to sit back get your hands on one of the latest video game consoles and let somebody else do the spreading of the confusion PEACE (LHX is beginning to take 'i am not my brother's keeper' to heart) |
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Post by CIVILISON on Aug 17, 2005 11:37:34 GMT -5
PEACE!
;D
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 17, 2005 20:26:32 GMT -5
the idea of spreading confusion does not sit well with me
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Post by CIVILISON on Aug 17, 2005 23:15:32 GMT -5
Peace Brother!
Just for the sake of clarity, I would like to know if this was aimed at any of my statements?
PEACE
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 18, 2005 8:49:30 GMT -5
Peace Brother! Just for the sake of clarity, I would like to know if this was aimed at any of my statements? PEACE no no no no no no no not at all that was the result of me trying to come to terms with a course of action sort of like thinking out loud PEACE sorry for the 'confusion' PEACE |
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Aug 19, 2005 15:16:05 GMT -5
LIGHT HOUSE X I be the best U see the rest THey looken like they need a vest! Man what makes you think your personal shakesperian deleemas are worth putting forth for the rest of us to ponder. THe eruption of mount Light House  . AHHH. "The stone that the builder refuse, will be the head corner stone" ;D By the way, if there is a need for illusion to prove the streangh of God, or if God needs to express himself through creating the struggle of becoming not what he is not, Or if through out the cource of life mentality must suffer through tradgady inorder to come to overstand the pain of the track of life, then is not life, and God himself inherently flawed. For example, Why did God need to write the Koran? Seriously, after a while doent even constant elevation become a burden a discouraging pain, like the myth of sysaphis? |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Aug 19, 2005 15:47:40 GMT -5
Man what makes you think your personal shakesperian deleemas are worth putting forth for the rest of us to ponder. THe eruption of mount Light House . AHHH. TRUE it was an eruption because i didnt have the strength to keep the shit in like diarrhea or peuking i will try to hold it in next time or at least make it more entertaining i dig where ya comin from but flawed is a word that got negative connotation another very human concept constant elevation a burden or discouraging what is the alternative? P-P-P-P-P-P-P-PEACE |
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Post by UniverseSeven on Aug 20, 2005 12:25:09 GMT -5
A Tragedy
The Tragedy is this world
We had to experience it Ourselves
If you can behold the true tragedy
the most real drama is right before your eyes
The lesson to be learned
what is truly important
Be content in Truth
for He is real
Out of dis-content was this tragedy written
There is a moral
to this story
The play not yet over
but soon enough
so shall it be
The dead will Know before the Living
if they possess Eyes and Ears
Prophets, Saints and Martyrs
noble and holy be their blood
For the blind is hell
not Knowing
the illusion weaved
the truth hidden
Those tomorrow
who will read the finished work
Shall be more Wise and Content
in Knowing the Truths
that I am God
there is no Liberty
only Freedom
the Book was scribed in days
Free Will does not come without
Consequence
Righteousness and Justice are
the Measure
Love of Truth the Scale
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