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Post by jonnygemini on Dec 17, 2005 10:12:21 GMT -5
yo x!!
how much value do I place in the yacub legend??
well my fellow mutant...check this
DNA mutation accounts for white skin
Penn State University scientists claim to have discovered a genetic mutation responsible for the emergence of white skin between 20,000 and 50,000 years ago. From the Washington Post:
The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, when all people were brown-skinned. That person's offspring apparently thrived as humans moved northward into what is now Europe, helping to give rise to the lightest of the world's races.
Leaders of the study, at Penn State University, warned against interpreting the finding as a discovery of "the race gene." Race is a vaguely defined biological, social and political concept, they noted, and skin color is only part of what race is -- and is not.
In fact, several scientists said, the new work shows just how small a biological difference is reflected by skin color. The newly found mutation involves a change of just one letter of DNA code out of the 3.1 billion letters in the human genome -- the complete instructions for making a human being.
"It's a major finding in a very sensitive area," said Stephen Oppenheimer, an expert in anthropological genetics at Oxford University, who was not involved in the work. "Almost all the differences used to differentiate populations from around the world really are skin deep."
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Post by Healthy Merking on Dec 17, 2005 10:29:26 GMT -5
The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa, by chance my fat ass what they mean to say is that "the emergence of white people is so strange that we really have no idea WHAT the hell happened" good find it looks like yet another thing the scientific community is no going to admit that they cant explain just like the big bang and the consolidated 'theory of everything' i am telling you man - shit is so wack right now as a measurement directly proportionate to a strange event that set it all into motion building on yacub issues can be difficult but they always lead one closer to true understanding |
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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 17, 2005 14:03:35 GMT -5
Excellent find JG! How did you come across this one? Related From: Babylon to Timbuktu Yakub: The Father of Mankind « Thread Started on 2/2/05 at 12:20 » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Editorial Reviews Product Description from Amazon: "Yakub is a Black Scientist introduced to the public by Elijah Muhammad. Elijah Muhammad told of his history as being the father of mankind or the maker of the white race. This teaching proved to be one of the most explosive within the Nation of Islam's theological and mathematical doctrine. Thought to be a myth, especially among those who gravitated more towards Orthodox Islam, which by the way, don't accept Elijah Muhammad as being authentic, but since the cloning of the sheep Dolly and other organic species, the facts that Elijah Muhammad attributed to this man cannot be discounted unless we all suddenly agree that "Dolly" never happened. This book is very controversial, but so is any information that is denied because of the fear of its impact on society. Professor Mendel's theory of grafting was resisted - until scientist began testing. Once the proof is present, talk became mote. Regardless of what's said about Elijah Muhammad, the scientist of this world are taking their hats off to him in secret, because the genetic advances they are attempting, Elijah Muhammad was teaching in the 1930 before they even found their "magic bullet" to address polio. This books makes us put our feelings aside and look at the numbers to see if what he is saying adds up." www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1884855342/102-0468555-5924161?v=glance ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "building on yacub issues can be difficult but they always lead one closer to true understanding" You are right LHX on both counts. on both sides of the coin there are issues that can be difficult. I have long accepted Elijah's story as truth because We know that white came out black. The difficult question for me is why did Yakub do this, and it being part of Allahs plan what is the purpose? I applaud you both in your search for God and Truth which are One in essence and cannot be seperated. 7 Square ----------------------------------------------------------------------- About the article The article states: "The work suggests that the skin-whitening mutation occurred by chance in a single individual after the first human exodus from Africa," Occasionally over time, sons or daughters would be born "white" or albino or very light skinned, they were always absorbed back into the fold because being of the same blood there was nothing to seperate them. Yakub knowing that there is a genetic random that can occur sought to bring it out by cruel selective breeding. He did this succesfully over time, giving birth to a new race, a new man which truly had not been seen. Many of the black traits were far removed from what had occured prior naturally. His code of selective breeding is the forefather of racism and the ideology of white supremacy and seperation from Allah. It is said that when Yakub's people came forth among their far removed Fathers there was much trouble because of the mental programming by Yakub, the Laws were not being adhered to. So it was decided, to expel Yakub's sons. Allah chose Europe because it was largely uninhabited but explored (the entire Earth was known by then) due to its lack of natural wealth. Anyways the point is that the mutation does occur by chance naturally in individuals over time. It was however by design and intent of Yakub and by default Allah that this natural occasional genetic occurence lead to the creation of a new race which has affected everything so profoundly, ultimately leading to a new world and new reality which are based upon an obscurence of causal events and their intended purpose, despite which, the lesson will still be learned and goals achieved. As the veil is removed, the Truth is revealed. The Illusion of reality gives way to the reality of Truth and A kingdom of the Righteous on Earth for ever builders apply |
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Post by jonnygemini on Dec 17, 2005 15:28:30 GMT -5
got into a deep discussion with April ( my earth) on this one...You don't go from full melanin to almost none in only 20,000-50,000 years without a little evolutionary assistance
I agree it was not by chance...you can't make a collie from 2 german shepherds...dig??
This "mutation" was selected for artificially...either through the genetic isolation of a group of our ancestors who may have had the recessive gene for lighter skin/less melanin
or was done intentionally by advanced cultures/scientists/YaCUB as an experiment...hey you with the honey brown skin and you with the green eyes...we're going to take you to this island in the mediterranean and see what happens if you don't get to make babies with your darker brothers & sisters...
All praises due to the Honorable Elijah Muhammed...many times I have been confused by the allegorical/cloaked aspects of his teachings...ie. killing the devils (to me it means the ones inside me, not just the light skinned ones)...but Yacub/legend is straight truth with no fancy clothes on
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Post by Healthy Merking on Dec 17, 2005 20:47:04 GMT -5
addressing the two issues:
1. what happened?
2. why it happened?
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1. what happened?
the exact nature of what happened can be said to be among the realm of things that will never be known
i can only convey the possibilities as i have come to understand them
a) simple darwinian evolution
b) purposeful change instigated by one or more people (the yacub approach)
- to the yacub approach i have come across 2 different theories:
i) yacub used fear tactics and grafted lighter skinned people amongst each other and fed them trick-knowledge
ii) yacub combined the original man with animals to create a grafted being
-- as far as animals go - dolphins or gorillas have been referred to
-- the dolphin theory dove into references about atlantis and an agreement made between man and water mammals
-- the gorilla theory involved mating a woman with a gorilla
bad science fiction?
truth stranger than fiction?
well
this is the puzzle
it can seem easy to dismiss these at first
but
when you really take a look at just how ridiculous of a situation the planet looks to find itself in
and the determintation with which this planet seems to approach its self destruction...
i can seriously say that i am not able to refute anything
except the darwinian theory starts to seem lame
if you look at how common place deformities are among white people - it is also cause for some speculation
- the emergence of auto-immune disfunction
- the common nature of thyroid and lung problems
it starts to suggest that the white body is simply not very durable
a possible effect of grafting?
and to compensate for this physical shortcoming -
trick-knowledge helped to plant the seeds of a very strange - almost unnatural - drive and determination
intensity
will power
desire to control the universe to compensate for physical shortcomings
as i said - i can only speculate
2. why did it happen?
the closest i can come to understanding why
comes when i try to understand eternity
and try to understand immortality
eventually you get around to doing everything
this may be a low brow reference
but
did you ever see the movie groundhog day with bill murray?
re-living the same day over and over again
he killed himself in every way imaginable
he fucked all the women he could
he pulled pranks
but he was trapped and he kept waking up to the same day
until he finally created the proper scenario
perhaps the actions of yacub are a testament to progress by any means
the process of creation
perhaps
the black man must learn to accept his oppressor as his own doing and learn to embrace him
and
the white man must have the world in his hands
but
accept his destiny as nothing more than a tool by which the original man can understand himself
neither path seems enviable
but
it may be the only way by which we can merge together
as i said - just speculating
but
that seems to be what i do for a living
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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 18, 2005 0:38:57 GMT -5
Tommorrow
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Post by jonnygemini on Dec 18, 2005 10:07:21 GMT -5
PEACE funny you should mention the grafting theory: www.boingboing.net/2005/12/15/king_kongs_monkey_lo.htmlDecember 12, 2005 Op-Ed Contributor Kissing Cousins By CLIVE D. L. WYNNE Gainesville, Fla. WHAT is it about watching young women being ravished by oversized middle-aged gorillas that presses so many buttons - and fuels so many King Kong movies, including the latest version opening on Wednesday? Cynthia Erb in "Tracking King Kong" suggests a few of the factors behind the success of the first King Kong movie in 1933: racist fear of miscegenation, Depression-era desire for the exotic and sexist lust to see a woman taken against her will. But 70 years of academic study have overlooked one crucial bit of history: a human and ape sexual drama widely reported in North American newspapers in the mid-1920's that, though now forgotten, must surely have informed the first Kong movie's creators. In the mid-1920's, the culture wars were dominated - as they are today with "intelligent design" - by the debate between creationism and evolutionary thinking. In 1925, John T. Scopes had been found guilty of teaching that mankind arose from something other than divine creation. But the United States was not the only country passionate about the issue. The young Soviet Union, in its effort to stamp out religion, was determined to prove that men were descended from apes. In 1926, a Soviet scientist named Ilya Ivanov decided the most compelling way to do this would be to breed a humanzee: a human-chimpanzee hybrid. Ivanov set off for a French research station in West Africa. There he inseminated three female chimpanzees with human sperm. Not his own, for he shared the colonial-era belief that the local people were more closely related to apes than he was. He stayed long enough to learn that his experiment had failed. Next Ivanov wrote a Cuban heiress, Rosalia Abreu. Abreu was the first person to breed chimps in captivity and had a large menagerie outside Havana. Ivanov asked if any of her male chimpanzees might be available to inseminate a Russian volunteer known to posterity only as 'G." At first Abreu was agreeable. But Ivanov made the mistake of approaching Charles Smith of the American Association for the Advancement of Atheism for fund-raising support. Smith was something of a showman - he liked to appear in public with a chimpanzee dressed in a business suit - and went to the newspapers with Ivanov's proposal. The New York Times thundered, "Soviet Backs Plan to Test Evolution." The resulting publicity brought the case to the attention of the Ku Klux Klan, which threatened Abreu with retaliation if she took part in Ivanov's experiment, calling it "abominable to the creator." Abreu withdrew her consent. Before Ivanov could find another chimpanzee breeder, he fell out of favor in one of Stalin's purges and was exiled to Kazakhstan in 1931. He died a year later, in March 1932, waiting for a train home to Moscow. Twelve months later the first King Kong movie opened in New York. Though The New Yorker regretted "the need felt for a plot and love interest," other moviegoers clearly did not agree and the film grossed $89,931 in its first weekend (tickets were only 15 cents). This success, in the darkest days of the Great Depression, saved the film's makers, RKO, from bankruptcy. We now know that, though we share much of our genetic code, chimp-human hybrids are probably impossible because the genetic material is arranged quite differently on our chromosomes. But I doubt that will stifle interest in this kind of interspecies romance. Because, in the end, it isn't the science, history or philosophy that keeps drawing us back to King Kong, but an age-old story. As the showman Carl Denham says at the end of the original "King Kong," with the beast dead at his feet on a New York City street: "Oh, no, it wasn't the airplanes. It was beauty killed the beast." Clive D. L. Wynne, an associate professor of psychology at the University of Florida and the author of "Do Animals Think?," is working on a book about apes and people. I agree with Mr. Mos when he sez: One more thing...I don't have any solutions to offer..but have you ever seen how beautiful the Brazilian people are?? Not the society/culture which I realize is as rascist as any...but could the destiny of both the orginal man and Yacub's creation be to merge back into one people with no divisions based on skin tone...could we blend all the colors like when you are a kid playing with watercolors...we all know what color that makes, right?? BROWN |
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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 18, 2005 16:49:00 GMT -5
"but could the destiny of both the orginal man and Yacub's creation be to merge back into one people with no divisions based on skin tone...could we blend all the colors like when you are a kid playing with watercolors...we all know what color that makes, right??"
Yes, Allah is the Wisest God. The destiny which you speak of was known and why this lesson was alllowed to happen. Allah knowing the gods that would come to rule would have an incomplete Knowledge, Wisdom and Understanding because everything the new gods built was based upon that which already existed.
Once this world is deconructed, and destroyed. The New Kingdom will be closer to perfection than the world that preceeded this one. This has been done several times over billions of years on several planets but this lesson has been unique in that it is the first time God went to sleep and allowed other gods to rule so that those who were originally disatisfied may bear witness to the absence of Allah and be satisfied with Him.
For those who retained the memory of God the lesson has been invaluable teachings crucial lessons on suffering that will be carried forth to create Heaven on Earth.
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LHX said:
2. why did it happen?
the closest i can come to understanding why
comes when i try to understand eternity
and try to understand immortality
eventually you get around to doing everything
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You are correct in all these connections made in #2. The causal events, that have lead to where we are today, has only been days. Immortality exist in the Universal Consciousness and Common Memory. It can also be said that those who are aware of Allah, have a proper perception of time that transcends any modern thinking.
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LHX said:
perhaps
the black man must learn to accept his oppressor as his own doing and learn to embrace him
and
the white man must have the world in his hands
but
accept his destiny as nothing more than a tool by which the original man can understand himself
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Allah allowed this to happen with a specific purpose in mind so yes, it is his own doing in as far as allowing another god to rule. The embrace is discussed in JG's quote at the top and my response.
The white man was given a chance to build a world in his vision and interpretation.
So that is correct.
"accept his destiny as nothing more than a tool by which the original man can understand himself"
This is quiet accurate ( I would phrase it differently) but the powers that be do not accept this fate, thus resulting in their destruction shortly. Instead of making the transition as smooth as possible seek to hinder it resulting in needless suffering.
Those of you who have no tangible power, have nothing to lose and knowing that this rule/world is inherently flawed and injust would be best served by seeking Truth and aligning yourself with the sufferers on the behalf of God, Righteousness, Equality and Freedom. This is the only way that any of us may advance spiritually in Life and the Hereafter.
Carry on
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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 18, 2005 18:14:53 GMT -5
This article in 360 found at True Solutions delves into some of the questions raised in this thread. From the Caves to the White House By: Dr. Yusuf Bey www.ybmb.com/cavestowhitehouse2001.htmlPeace |
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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 18, 2005 22:32:36 GMT -5
Key gene 'controls skin colour' Friday, 16 December 2005 Scientists believe that studying the humble zebrafish may have helped solve the mystery of human skin colour. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4531966.stm |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Dec 19, 2005 10:55:38 GMT -5
more than anything
i think this entire issue highlights the fact that there are some things which may be known
but
are impossible to communicate and simply must be experienced first hand
"Once this world is deconructed, and destroyed. The New Kingdom will be closer to perfection than the world that preceeded this one. This has been done several times over billions of years on several planets but this lesson has been unique in that it is the first time God went to sleep and allowed other gods to rule so that those who were originally disatisfied may bear witness to the absence of Allah and be satisfied with Him."
you can intuitively know this
but
it may be impossible to sell it to anybody
as you said before - i agree
but
i would prolly phrase it differently
the universe is infinite
it is a function of an infinite universe for all possibilities to occur
what we are experiencing has been experienced before
and it is likely going on somewhere else at this very same moment
in many places you have perished in ignorance
with your hand reaching out for an elusive grail
but
in this place you will endure your suffering and see heaven
i enjoy your notion of 'common memory'
i also agree that it is a shame that transitions cannot be more gentle than they are
you guys are fucking beautiful man
i mean that from the bottom of the universe
peace
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Post by jonnygemini on Dec 19, 2005 11:27:20 GMT -5
not so much on topic...but have I mentioned that my last name is Jacob before??
So when most surnames(at least western) seem to refer to a trade/societal position...I have no idea what mine would come from...
I feel a very strong connection to this story...almost in my "bones" so to speak
you phrased it just right for me X...I feel like that all the time
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Post by Healthy Merking on Dec 19, 2005 12:39:04 GMT -5
you phrased it just right for me X...I feel like that all the time praise robert anton wilson for that one it looks like we live on a new frontier methods of communication may have to change to reflect that maybe logic is no joke neither is e-prime that shit pays dividends no joke advanced technology to lead you to heaven |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Dec 19, 2005 14:13:05 GMT -5
you phrased it just right for me X...I feel like that all the time also - i must add there is an inherent danger in accepting this (of course) - that being that you perceive some bit of knowledge and having resolved that some knowledge cannot be communicated you perceive with a possibly faulty 'truth' with no point of reference that might be a touch too abstract tho the way it goes i guess |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Dec 19, 2005 14:44:35 GMT -5
Jacob
masc. proper name, name of O.T. patriarch, son of Isaac and Rebecca and father of the founders of the twelve tribes, from L.L. Jacobus, from Gk. Iakobos, from Heb. Ya'aqobh, lit. "one that takes by the heel" (Gen. xxviii.12), a derivative of 'aqebh "heel."
also - just to drive the point home
malcolm x made reference to 'john' in the bible actually being 'yacub'
so maybe you are yacub yacub
thats intense
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