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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 19, 2005 18:24:22 GMT -5
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Post by Healthy Merking on Dec 19, 2005 18:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by jonnygemini on Dec 20, 2005 1:07:01 GMT -5
THANKS & PEACE BROTHERS
what a history lesson and what a history to carry
When Isaac was 40 years old, he married Rebecca, daughter of Bethuel the Aramaean of Padan Aram and sister of Laban the Aramaean.
His wife was sterile, and Isaac pleaded with God for her sake. God granted his plea, and Rebecca became pregnant.
25:22 But the children clashed inside her, and when this occurred, she asked, 'Why is this happening to me?' She went to seek a message from God.
God's word to her was, 'Two nations are in your womb. Two governments will separate from inside you. The upper hand will go from one government to the other. The greater one will serve the younger.'
25:24 When the time came for her to give birth, there were twins in her womb.
25:25 The first one came out reddish, as hairy as a fur coat. They named him Esau.
25:26 His brother then emerged, and his hand was grasping Esau's heel. [Isaac] named him Jacob. Isaac was 60 years old when [Rebecca] gave birth to them.
25:27 The boys grew up. Esau became a skilled trapper, a man of the field. Jacob was a scholarly man who remained with the tents.
25:28 Isaac enjoyed eating Esau's game and favored him, but Rebecca favored Jacob.
25:29 Jacob was once simmering a stew, when Esau came home exhausted from the field.
25:30 Esau said to Jacob, 'Give me a swallow of that red stuff! I'm famished!' (He was therefore given the name Edom).
25:31 'First sell me your birthright,' replied Jacob.
25:32 'Here I'm about to die!' exclaimed Esau. 'What good is a birthright to me?'
25:33 'Make an oath to me right now,' said Jacob.
He made the oath, and sold his birthright to Jacob.
Jacob then gave Esau bread and lentil stew. [Esau] ate it, drank, got up and left. He thus rejected the birthright.
so the last becomes first and the first becomes last as they say in the reggae
THANKS, I have much reading to do
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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 20, 2005 1:15:46 GMT -5
Thanks L ,
He sure can.
One of his best.
He was like Aaron to Elijah.
I have been focusing my relative studies on the 30% that were discontent, and what comes after the transition.
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Post by UniverseSeven on Dec 20, 2005 1:23:06 GMT -5
Peace Peace!
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Post by jonnygemini on Dec 20, 2005 12:09:14 GMT -5
 Super-troopers: Stalin wanted Planet of the Apes-like troops, insensitive to pain and hardship. Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors CHRIS STEPHEN AND ALLAN HALL THE Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents. Moscow archives show that in the mid-1920s Russia's top animal breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, was ordered to turn his skills from horse and animal work to the quest for a super-warrior. According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat." In 1926 the Politburo in Moscow passed the request to the Academy of Science with the order to build a "living war machine". The order came at a time when the Soviet Union was embarked on a crusade to turn the world upside down, with social engineering seen as a partner to industrialisation: new cities, architecture, and a new egalitarian society were being created. The Soviet authorities were struggling to rebuild the Red Army after bruising wars. And there was intense pressure to find a new labour force, particularly one that would not complain, with Russia about to embark on its first Five-Year Plan for fast-track industrialisation. Mr Ivanov was highly regarded. He had established his reputation under the Tsar when in 1901 he established the world's first centre for the artificial insemination of racehorses. Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees. Meanwhile, a centre for the experiments was set up in Georgia - Stalin's birthplace - for the apes to be raised. Mr Ivanov's experiments, unsurprisingly from what we now know, were a total failure. He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail. A final attempt to persuade a Cuban heiress to lend some of her monkeys for further experiments reached American ears, with the New York Times reporting on the story, and she dropped the idea amid the uproar. Mr Ivanov was now in disgrace. His were not the only experiments going wrong: the plan to collectivise farms ended in the 1932 famine in which at least four million died. For his expensive failure, he was sentenced to five years' jail, which was later commuted to five years' exile in the Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan in 1931. A year later he died, reportedly after falling sick while standing on a freezing railway platform. |
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Post by jonnygemini on Jan 20, 2006 12:59:45 GMT -5
PEACE...best speech I've ever read...wish I could have heard it live back in the day Eljiah brought the light and Malcolm spread it don't like the explosives theory about how black man made the moon, think asteroid impact seems more likely thats my only grain of salt, the rest of it is pure gold THANKS X mind like catacombs stories like tombs give me a second let me find the room |
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Post by TERA on Jan 21, 2006 13:52:14 GMT -5
ok please explain something:
it seems to me from what i can find that the yacub character was first mentioned by Elijah muhammed, but was this man ever mentioned before this?
Also, where does E, Muhhamed say that he got the info from?
Thanks
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jan 21, 2006 16:38:00 GMT -5
ok please explain something: it seems to me from what i can find that the yacub character was first mentioned by Elijah muhammed, but was this man ever mentioned before this? Also, where does E, Muhhamed say that he got the info from? Thanks from what i gather the knowledge was passed on from the (relatively unknown) esoteric tradition which was maintained in small numbers throughout the ages but the knowledge never really came to north america until elijah brought it it is also interesting to note that there is not much difference (time wise) between when crowley was sending out his 'teachings' as well another set of knowledge that some how was passed on thru the ages undetected peace (i have read that elijahs teachings may have been a derivative of the sufi tradition) also it is quite possible that elijah invented the term 'yacub' for all i know |
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Post by TERA on Jan 22, 2006 8:15:52 GMT -5
ok thanks for that, but im just wondering if Elijah ever publicly told how he came to know this knowledge...because i cant imagine no one asking this question.
Also do you happen to know the name of this esoteric tradition?
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Post by Kephrem on Jan 22, 2006 10:29:39 GMT -5
What Malcolm said was not always truth, fact is NO organization is perfect or always comes out, at all times, with 100% accurate information. John was not "Yacub", because even going by that NOI teaching you can see that it's not possible that he was because the Romans who imprisoned John were themselves so-called white people. John was actually writing of the destruction of Rome and of the future Rome, which is Amerikkka. He was not writing of the creation of the white race. What was John doing on the island of Patmos? Read it, it tells you in the book itself, and it even tells us the DEVIL threw John into prison, and would also lock his (John's) people in prisons in the future (Revelation 2:10). I wanna hear you devils explain that one. PEACE |
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Post by Kephrem on Jan 22, 2006 10:42:07 GMT -5
Lest anyone forget Malcolm converted to eastern Islam (El Hajj Malik Shabazz) before he died, according to the Islam of the Meccan Muslims Yaqub was a righteous prophet of the Quran.
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Post by jonnygemini on Jan 22, 2006 12:54:44 GMT -5
thanks for your insight Keph...
I really connected to the information that X & 7 posted for a couple reasons...
"When the fiirst shall be last & the last shall be first." So Esau was the first brother born, THE ORIGINAL MAN...Jacob was born second, LAST....He tricked Esau out of his birthright using the tactics which would later be described by Elijah Muhammed as TRICKNOLOGY...As 7 has said the ORIGINAL MAN, THE BLACK MAN created the WHITE MAN as a tool to understand himself...Malcolm's story is the best account of this I have read...I have a genetic connection to this story (as we all do) BUT when I first came across this meme, it was a revelation to me...I have been trying to encapsulate what I mean in a few words...but the best I can do is say I feel the truth of this message in my bones & genes. Not simple base pride in a racial identity & history, but satisfaction of the universal drive to know where one comes from...even if I am YACUB's creation...
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Post by Kephrem on Jan 22, 2006 15:15:04 GMT -5
Esau is not the original man, in the story or in history. Esau i.e. Edom has a connection with the CAVES and with ROME. Esau was born RED, like those who lack MELANIN.
JACOB was born SECOND not "last" as you suggest. His color was not given, but only that he was born "smooth" as opposed to ESAU being born RED and HAIRY like many caucasians are today.
There's nothing wrong with tricking ones enemy, but the fact is Jacob supplanted Esau, which went right with the prophecy that proceeded their birth, one can read that read in Genesis 25:23. (not in the translation above, which is the most jacked up translation I've ever read)
That's your assertion, this is the fact:
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jan 22, 2006 23:38:21 GMT -5
i would be hard pressed to say for certain that any of these people were even real people
the proven possibility of inaccuracy in reporting present events
not to mentioned recalling past events
seems to supercede any possibility of putting together a definitive consolidated 'history of man'
agree with everything here to certain degrees
yacub seems to be synonymous with 'intent'
at this point in my travels
whether or not such a man walked the earth seems of little consequence
but
the stories are entertaining
peace
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