I-CHING SCIENCES

[CIVILISON]

Peace LIGHT!

This has been done before but let's get to the core of things.

From what I understand, the I-Ching is comprised of 64 Hexagrams. They are somehow comprised of lines, encompassing all their combinative possibilities.

What do these signify?

Each chapter engulfs some reality, like you mentioned before.

How are these coordinated?

How would you compare the I-Ching to the Tao Te Ching? From what I understand, they are both Taoist works.

I looked on Amazon and there is sooooo many of them. I remember you mentioned a pocket version of the I-Ching you got into. Which one is it? Who wrote it?

Give us an example of a chapter and break it down.

Peace and Thank You!

[CIVILISON]

Oh, what do you know about the I-Ching oracle?

[Healthy Merking]

PEACE

i have sought to explain my understandings of the i ching several times before

only to realize how little i understood the i ching due to the difficulty that i experienced while trying to explain it

the only thing i can suggest is to consult as many sources as possible

write out the trigrams constantly

keep it in mind constantly

put yourself in the sequence

take yourself out of the sequence

observe the sequence in your surroundings

here are some tips:
think of the i ching as a graphic novel
but you do not yet understand how to make out the characters

remember that the i ching is a language all to itself
my interpretation or anybody's interpretation is always a translation - even the confucian commentaries written in chinese

the jewel to understanding each line lies in understanding yin/yang

the jewel to understanding each trigram lies in understanding TIME
- three lines
- three phases of time (past-present-future)
- each trigram is given a 'name' which roughly corresponds to something in nature which comes to mind thinking about the three-lined combination

the jewel to understanding each hexagram is to understand that it is composed of two trigrams
- i found it useful to have the lower trigram represent me
- the upper trigram therefore represents my environment (everything that is not 'me')

the other jewel to understanding each hexagram is understanding the context in which the hexagram is placed in the sequence

i cant really think of much more to say about it right now

but i will keep it in mind



as for the tao te ching:

i have come to get a feeling that the tao te ching is nothing more than a book of riddles written by one or more people who understood the i ching

i believe it could have been written in the course of one evening

or collected over the course of hundreds of years

it is profound
but
once you get dialed into the i ching

you can pour that kind of shit out the way MF Doom pours out his lyrics

PEACE

if you have any specific specific questions i may be able to help

i can tell you what comes to my mind personally when i see a particular hexagram
but
i will worn you that it may sound wack

the best piece of advice i can give is to make the i ching as personal as you possibly can

as though it was something that YOU did
and then forgot about
but are in the process of remembering again

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

civilison said:

Oh, what do you know about the I-Ching oracle?

the i ching oracle is bullshit

like looking for a god in the sky

[CIVILISON]

I expected otherwise...

The author?

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

This the one you were talking about?

PEACE

[Healthy Merking]

civilison said:

This the one you were talking about?

PEACE

that is the exact one

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

i can tell you what comes to my mind personally when i see a particular hexagram
but
i will worn you that it may sound wack

As a matter of fact, I can't wait!!!

Born the science on any of your favourites.

Also, I understand that each hexagram is comprised of six lines. Coordinated differently, they have some for of meaning. What can you tell me about that?

PEACE

[Os3y3ris]

You can find the meanings all over the internet. Each of the 64 has a specific meaning. They've got some type of math to them, but I don't know it and its not TOO necessary to udnerstand it.

[Healthy Merking]

os3y3ris said:

You can find the meanings all over the internet. Each of the 64 has a specific meaning. They've got some type of math to them, but I don't know it and its not TOO necessary to udnerstand it.

PEACE O

you bring up a real good point actually

there is a sort-of math to them - and it is not too necessary to understand it

and each of the 64 DOES have a specific meaning
BUT
as you study the i ching
it has become clear that it is quite useful to attach your own meanings to the hexagrams as you see fit

all 'english' versions of the i ching are translations
and some words do not mean the same thing to different people

for example:
hexagram 36 can often be found to mean
'darkening of the light'
or
'injury to the enlightened'
or something similarly dramatic

i have come to understand it better to mean SELF-injury

all 64 hexagrams are in a sequence - a purposely laid out sequence
BUT
here again is where the i ching truly becomes equal parts suspicious and intriguing

the 64 hexagrams on their own can be considered as a part of nature
but the ARRANGEMENT was done by man

the thing is:
at first
while studying
it is easy to think that the arrangement is somewhat arbitrary

but the more you study it
the more you think it could not have been arranged any other way

the story is just so damn complete

its eerie
yet blissful

PEACE

[CIVILISON]

Peace!

I understand that the Bagua is significant to the I-Ching. 8 of the 64 trigrams are included in it. How do you cee this, and is their arrangement relevant?



PEACE

[Os3y3ris]

There aren't 64 trigrams, but 8, all of which are displayed there. Also interesting is that those are in the opposite order of the tae geuk.

[CIVILISON]

I meant 8 out the the 64 from the I-Ching.

The Tae Geuk? Elaborate on that!

PEACE

[Os3y3ris]

I meant 8 out the the 64 from the I-Ching.

So did I. 8 trigrams form 64 hexagrams. members.aol.com/tig550908/i_trigrams.htm Am I just reading you wrong?

The Tae Geuk? Elaborate on that!

Spelled it wrong I believe. Its actually taegeuk. Same exact symbol. Same order generally too after I looked into it. The one I was using for reference was reversed for some reason.

Thats the old version of the Korean taegeuk:
bullshido.net/forums/image.php?u=682&dateline=1105401021

Its displayed in part on the Korean flag and its also the name of the first 8 forms of taekwondo, each form representing a trigram.

[CIVILISON]

Hmm...

Peace,

I apologize for my oblivion but it is likely that I quibble over the different terms.

Hexagram
Trigram

The difference?

The I-Ching is comprised of 64 hexagrams.

What is a trigram then?

Peace and thank you for the input.