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Post by Healthy Merking on Sept 3, 2005 11:46:53 GMT -5
sort of like the hexagram just appeared
CIVIL: a couple of things
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are you familiar with the term 'RESONANCE'
and what it means when something RESONATES?
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from my experience
the first thing that should be focused on when studying the i ching is understanding what a trigram is
from that point you can understand easily why there are 8 trigrams and 64 hexagrams
PEACE
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 3, 2005 12:00:11 GMT -5
True indeed LIGHT!
Why do you ask about that word?
About the trigram... born the science on your perception of the Trigram.
What do you know about the number 6 & 9 in respect to the broken and full lines.
Binary system?
The ancients were some advanced peeps!
PEACE
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Post by Healthy Merking on Sept 3, 2005 13:27:38 GMT -5
True indeed LIGHT! Why do you ask about that word? About the trigram... born the science on your perception of the Trigram. What do you know about the number 6 & 9 in respect to the broken and full lines. Binary system? The ancients were some advanced peeps! PEACE PEACE instead of looking at them as 'advanced' it may be more beneficial to look at them as 'uncomplicated' the reason i bring up the term 'resonance' is because the term holds wait when understanding how intricate the i ching really is what needs to be understood is that you can develop an i ching type system using the 5 elements as well you can even develop an i ching type system which embodies the 21 elements involved in the tarot you can basically develop an i ching system with any line of thought which embodies stages of a process NONE of these shares the same qualities as the i ching however **resonance appears at 8 elements** the reason for this can be seen when you look at how a trigram is composed: it embodies two other significant lines of thought: (as i mentioned earlier in this thread) 1. each line represents either yin or yang 2. three phases of yin or yang are applied which correspond to the three phases of time 2 elements: yin/yang 3 phases: past-present-future these result in the 8 elemental trigrams of the i ching it is thru this reasoning that the i ching has been said to have 3+ dimensional qualities each of the trigrams is not only an element on its own - but we can trace what they are composed of this can be done with no other number of known elements in human thought (ie. - 5 element theory cannot be reduced any further - nor can the 21 in the tarot) rather than focusing on the individual line it is better to recognize the trigram as a single unit and become familiar with how/why it was composed i will get to the 6 and 9 part later - but as i said before - it has more to do with divination practices and (from what i have come to understand) is not really significant no - it does not have much to do with binary numbers later |
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 4, 2005 14:14:29 GMT -5
True indeed!!!
In thinking, keep to the simple
--- Tao Te Ching
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Post by Healthy Merking on Sept 4, 2005 16:25:22 GMT -5
True indeed!!! In thinking, keep to the simple--- Tao Te Ching 2 to the power of 3 equals 8 the 6 and 9 concept is applied to using the i ching as an oracle they are really not pertinent to early study of the i ching basically the summary is as follows: when using the i ching as an oracle you need to generate a hexagram a hexagram can be generated using a variety of different methods the most ancient of the known techniques still in practice involves the manipulation and casting of sticks of yarrow when casting yarrow stalks numbers are generated to determine what type of line appears in the hexagram there are 4 types of lines: --- --- : yin ------- : yang ---x--- : yin becoming yang ---o--- : yang becoming yin using the yarrow stalk method a 6 corresponds to ---x--- a 7 corresponds to ------- an 8 corresponds to --- --- a 9 corresponds to ---o--- thus when you see '6' or '9' appear - what is being referred to is that in divination the yin/yang state of that particular line of the hexagram is in the process of change lemme know if you got any more questions PEACE and dont forget 2 to the power of 3 equals 8 |
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 5, 2005 12:06:53 GMT -5
Are these lines found within the I-Ching:
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I have a feeling...
At first the I-Ching seems like a complex mathematical equation but with time becomes as simple as watching the wind.
Yin and Yang give birth to the 8 trigrams within the Bagua.
2 to the power of 3 is 8.
I see this as Yin and Yang (2) in different states (3) giving birth to the (8) trigrams.
Is this so?
PEACE
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Post by Healthy Merking on Sept 5, 2005 16:25:30 GMT -5
Yin and Yang give birth to the 8 trigrams within the Bagua. 2 to the power of 3 is 8. I see this as Yin and Yang (2) in different states (3) giving birth to the (8) trigrams. Is this so? yes yes yes yes exactly yes this is good! it only took you two days get a feel for what took me two years to understand no - they are only applicable when you are using the i ching for divination purposes i have a feeling that you are getting the right feeling PEACE hit me up with more questions G |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Sept 6, 2005 9:41:29 GMT -5
Oh, what do you know about the I-Ching oracle? the i ching oracle is bullshit like looking for a god in the sky the i ching AS an oracle is not bullshit only books that use the i chings oracle abilities as its sole purpose (for the record) PEACE |
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 6, 2005 10:44:00 GMT -5
the i ching oracle is bullshit like looking for a god in the sky the i ching AS an oracle is not bullshit only books that use the i chings oracle abilities as its sole purpose (for the record) PEACE Yeah, that sounds much better. I was kind of suprised when you said that. All is clear now. |
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 6, 2005 10:48:30 GMT -5
Nah... it took me just as long.
It is not about the equation per se, but the state of mind of the one who is approaching the equation.
To build THAT state of awareness, it takes years.
The I-Ching gets me thinking on a very holistic/universal level.
I have read the first few chapters last night while I was fasting. It was beautiful!
When questions arise, I will make sure I post them.
PEACE
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 6, 2005 10:52:04 GMT -5
Uhm, as a matter of fact... I have a personal question.
How many times did you have to read it to see it for what it truly is?
You told me you were quite perplexed the first time you read it. What made you come back to it?
How did you come across this work?
PEACE
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Post by Healthy Merking on Sept 6, 2005 11:39:59 GMT -5
Uhm, as a matter of fact... I have a personal question. How many times did you have to read it to see it for what it truly is? You told me you were quite perplexed the first time you read it. What made you come back to it? How did you come across this work? PEACE i read it in a variety of forms the first reference i heard of it was when u-god mentioned it on a track then i copped it from a library i had already been researching fibonacci at the time so i became very intrigued i have reads parts of so many versions of the i ching that i would not be able to remember them all off hand my first real real understandings started coming thru when i started studying supreme math and then 5 element theory and the tarot as i mentioned before i first began studying the i ching in august 2002 so i have been at it for just over a thousand days now my understanding is finally coming to a point where i feel comfortable helping others learn it my goal is always to encourage others to understand it even better than me so that they can help me increase my understanding to be honest - i have never had to come back to it as soon as i started - it just kind of stuck with me like some kind of divine virus that i could not ignore peace |
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 6, 2005 12:21:32 GMT -5
That's peace!
How has the I-Ching affected your personality?
How has the I-Ching affected your approach to life?
How has it helped you?
PEACE
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 17, 2005 10:10:17 GMT -5
Change has an absolute limit:
This produces two modes;
The two modes produce four forms,
The four forms produce eight trigrams;
The eight trigrams determine fortune and misfortune.PEACE, From what I understand, YANG = Major Yang Minor Yin YIN = Major Yin Minor Yang Bearing witness to the fact that Yang is within Yin and Yin within Yang. Can you provide your own perception of this? How do you apply this onto the trigrams and hexagrams? HEXAGRAM 11 - Tranquility --- ---
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Post by CIVILISON on Sept 17, 2005 10:22:38 GMT -5
Also,
I noticed it is pretty important to know the individual trigrams to understand why the hexagram was assembled in that specific manner.
Check these explanations (from the net) and tell me what you think. Also, if you have your own, please share them!
1. Sky
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Three solid lines were used to symbolize sky. The sky is strong and has divine power to provide infinite space to accommodate all. Using three solid lines to represent the sky is very the appropriate for its supreme being.
2.Earth
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Three broken lines are used to symbolize earth. The earth is a gigantic object. It is a supporting body for human life and a burial ground for death. It is considered soft and receptive, because it can take a lot of punishments with tolerance.
3. Thunder
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Two broken lines on top a solid line symbolize thunder. The two broken lines on top have the image of lighting and the bottom solid line symbolizes elevation. Thus, the image is lighting striking on the top of a mountain.
4.Wind
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Two solid lines on top a broken line symbolize wind. The two solid lines represent the sky and energy. The broken line represents earth. Thus, this image is the sky and energy approaching earth. The wind is invisible and we can only justify its existence by observing the moving tree tops.
5. Water (Moon)
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A solid line in between two broken lines symbolize water. The two broken lines represent the depression of earth (river banks). The solid line in the middle represents motion. This creates the image of water flowing in a river. In addition, this kua also represents the moon.
6. Fire (Sun)
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A broken line inbetween two solid lines symbolize fire. The two solid lines indicate the movement of fire. The broken line is the center of the fire which is still. In addition, this kua also represents the Sun.
7. Mountain
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A solid line on top of two broken lines symbolize mountain. The solid line represents elevation and the bottom two broken lines represent earth. Thus this image is a mountain elevated above the earth.
8. Marsh
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A broken line on top of two solid lines symbolize marsh. The top broken line is water and the bottom two solid lines is sky. If we are looking down at a body of water anywhere on earth, we will see the reflected sky below the water surface. This seems to be a logical way to symbolize the Marsh Kua.
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