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Post by .-<(B.1.6.6.E.R.)>-. on Jun 20, 2009 19:53:39 GMT -5
there is a stage where we look for magic in the book and we make up a code for ourselves to decode in order for us to unlock this magic - the magic happens when you apply whats needed to yourself words of wisdom from the book - maybe we should try to identify these stages - for example: 1. unaware of the stories 2. hear the stories and take them literally 3. question the legitimacy of the stories 4. explore the context of the stories and when they were written 5. examine the stories as metaphor 6. consider the stories as some kind of magic code 7. understand that words are powerful and the stories can be viewed in many ways that is just a rough example - feel free to re-order or add on the end results should be to be able to clearly show everyone including ourselves what level each one of us are on with out any debate |
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 20, 2009 20:28:56 GMT -5
Any one have backround informations regarding this allegation by jedi mind tricks feat lost children of babylon and El Eloh: "Bring the mist of Mahabharata Celestial God symbolic to the disagreeable complex mathematics Of the Hebrew bible" why and how would the mathematics of the hebrew bible be disagreeable? And how can it be that all the positive teachings of the bible can be considered "setian"? this is just me but maybe he's referring to the flaws within the bible or the flaws within social and religious expression of it. these being hebrew. and again just me but i don't think they're all jewish if a person wants to get technical. how would we explain the striking resemblance between certain psalms and hymns to kamitic pharoahs (akhenaten i think it was)  or the connection between the book of genesis and the babylonian/sumerian epic of gilgamesh and the enuma elis?? or the connection between ausar-auset-horus and god-mary and christ?? the Mahabharata are ancient spiritual epics of india. i can see how the author made the connection but if these are disagreeable themselves wouldn't know... |
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 20, 2009 21:05:44 GMT -5
on a personal, to me it's all about the pursuit of truth.
not a particular intellectual or historic truth but my own truth of my self. it's my belief that if one knows the truth of self, all other truths are revealed in relation to that being's evolution.
why brethren go mad studying, doing research and all other wild stuff? my opinion is cause there is nothing better or even maybe more necessary to do.
all studies eventually lead to a real life situation that tests them. i believe this to be the work of the universe.
my moving force is to live a righteous life. of course i define that within personal worlds and terms but try to fit it in with universality of the world. this forces me to research.
and intellectual research is but a small piece of the whole equation of what i gotta do to succeed in life so that is always a point considered.
many times ppl disagree this makes them realize something.
also everybody needs phases in life. any phase that begins also ends. there is only one phase that never dies.
peace
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 20, 2009 21:27:12 GMT -5
everything is everything. the good in the bad the bad in the good. hmm I wouldn't say that the kamitic and jewish trees are the same. diagramatically they look the same i think amen did that for the sake of easier learning but in actuality the trees the kamau drew were different and extremely old. for instance...  or  instead of the normal tree structure they had a boat traveling on the ocean of Nu, the primordial "waters"... the kamitic tree to me is easy, doesn't have all the relative mysticism like the jewish does. that is not to bash the jewish tree. it's my belief the tree originated in kamit but could have been used around the same time in ancient Sumer. PEACE |
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Post by Tamahu on Jun 21, 2009 9:26:36 GMT -5
there is a stage where we look for magic in the book and we make up a code for ourselves to decode in order for us to unlock this magic - the magic happens when you apply whats needed to yourself words of wisdom from the book - Peace Sunny Winters True. I don't want to say that "the Bible" is all bad. Which brings us to...: Any one have backround informations regarding this allegation by jedi mind tricks feat lost children of babylon and El Eloh: "Bring the mist of Mahabharata Celestial God symbolic to the disagreeable complex mathematics Of the Hebrew bible" why and how would the mathematics of the hebrew bible be disagreeable? And how can it be that all the positive teachings of the bible can be considered "setian"? The Hebrew teachings seem to me to be nothing more than heavily veiled and/or watered down teachings of the Sumerians, Nubians, Khemetians, Tamils, Dravidians, Phoenicians, Brahmins, etc. The Swastika comes from Yungdrung Bon, and the Square and Compass or "Star of David" is based on the Tantric Dharmodaya: Dharmodaya: Reality Source"The Bible" having more of a fear factor, genocide, infanticides, etc. than other religions' scriptures. Of course Kabbalists would say that these things are all symbolic, which they may be. Although It's ludicrous to me that people who take "the Bible" literally don't question these things. The hypocrisy kills me. One can get fired for talking about sex at work, yet the guy doing the firing might go to church on Sunday and read about Yahweh ordering his "Prophets" to rape, murder, and pillage a city(or almost as bad, I almost got fired for saying straight sexual jokes at work, all the while the company I work for did specially-made gay-pride name-tags that are allowed to be worn in the workplace. What the fuck!?) "The Bible" is more R-rated and X-rated than anything I've ever seen. Yet we're taught in this "Christian" society that it's bad to have lustful thoughts of women. How gay is that shit? hmm I wouldn't say that the kamitic and jewish trees are the same. diagramatically they look the same i think amen did that for the sake of easier learning but in actuality the trees the kamau drew were different and extremely old. for instance... Right. What I'm saying though, is why would RUNA and SAW even mess with the Jewish representation of it to begin with? Is it because the Jewish-centric has been shoved down peoples throats, laymen and esoterists alike, for so many years, that as you said, it would be easier for people who are so used to "Kabbalah" to digest the teachings? I was doing a search on some Khemetian terms, and stumbled upon a thread in another forum where Samurai36 spoke his mind on the Jewish-izing of everything. Perhaps he'll add-on here...? Again, not everything Jewish is bad. It's just that there are plenty of better sources of knowledge that one can turn to. I suppose that, as one Gnostic instructor said, the 10 Sephiroth representation is "the kindergarten of Kabbalah". So does the basic 10 or 11 Sephiroth representation make it easier to digest in the beginning? Or is it mostly useless? |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 21, 2009 10:56:00 GMT -5
cool shit Tamahu
clearly there are hierarchies all over the place
would it be a beneficial exercise for us to try and put them in our own words?
notice trends in those that came before and come to some agreements?
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 21, 2009 11:05:02 GMT -5
It sounds like your work is fulfilling Marv Mercury(I'll assume you are, at least in part, referring to the literal building of things for a 'mundane' living). My job is not physically demanding but it does suck the life out of me. What do you build if you don't mind me asking? web sites and web applications Ah, space travel. I remember you talking about doing Astral Travel at Wu-Corp a few years ago. Is it true that one can visit other planets with one's Ka or astral body? i really dont think there is a limit - |
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Post by Healthy Merking on Jun 21, 2009 11:17:00 GMT -5
All of this religious stuff is controlled by the "Illuminati" can you explain what this means exactly? here are the questions i have - not looking for fact, necessarily - more interested in your perspective on the issues: 1. what do you mean by 'religious stuff' 2. what is 'illuminati'? 2a. if it is some sort of group of human men, are they simply a group of misguided people? 2b. or are they something else? 3. how do they 'control' religious stuff, beyond using it as a tool? Peace |
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Post by CIVILISON on Jun 21, 2009 15:26:51 GMT -5
Right. What I'm saying though, is why would RUNA and SAW even mess with the Jewish representation of it to begin with? Is it because the Jewish-centric has been shoved down peoples throats, laymen and esoterists alike, for so many years, that as you said, it would be easier for people who are so used to "Kabbalah" to digest the teachings? I was doing a search on some Khemetian terms, and stumbled upon a thread in another forum where Samurai36 spoke his mind on the Jewish-izing of everything. Perhaps he'll add-on here...? Again, not everything Jewish is bad. It's just that there are plenty of better sources of knowledge that one can turn to. I suppose that, as one Gnostic instructor said, the 10 Sephiroth representation is "the kindergarten of Kabbalah". So does the basic 10 or 11 Sephiroth representation make it easier to digest in the beginning? Or is it mostly useless? I c you Tamahu. I can't speak for Woer but again I don't think there was anything Jewish about Amen's tree. To my understanding the kamau and sumerians were practicing the tree of life way before anything jewish was created therefore it rightfully belongs to those cultures. So in that light I don't see that as being Jewish at all as these original cultures already had the tree and the boat and other structures like the chakras etc... However... Keep in mind Amen was a Rosicrucian before he founded the Ausar Auset Society so I can see why he decided to use that particular structure of the tree. As for your last paragraph, I wouldn't say it's useless. The tree is an abstractly interconnected structure so each piece plays an important role in playing out the whole purpose. The last sphere being the physical realm (Geb, Gaia, Malkuth...) is the easiest to perceive. Yet it is thru here that we travel deep within the mysteries of the cosmogony. And also I think it's not really important how the structure looks rather how effective it is in an individual's path in life to succeed mentally, physically and spiritually. In any combination or structure it means exactly the same thing. Peace my brother |
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Post by Tamahu on Jun 23, 2009 0:23:55 GMT -5
would it be a beneficial exercise for us to try and put them in our own words? Yes indeed. However the use of Khemetian, Arabic, Sanskrit, Tibetan, Japanese, etc. words is helpful at times when there isn't an English translation available for a specific idea. When I use foreign words, I'll try to link the word to a glossary if I suspect that you may be unaware of it's meaning; if this is what you're referring to. Whenever possible, yes. Some think that studying everything and only taking what one sees as useful, isn't a good practice; and that one should find one system or path and stick to it(while realizing that most of them lead to the same 'place'). My issue with that, is that I haven't found a single system that I fully trust(yet). Therefore I roll dolo. Though I'm up for possibly making alliances for now, and keeping my end of any made agreement(s). I have broken my Word in the past, and even considered committing Seppuku for it. That would have been extremely foolish however, considering certain factors in regard to things that I've since then discovered. I have forgiven myself for it, and now have a clean slate, no 'praying to Jesus' or 'Vajrasattva purification' required.  Now I see the value of making sure that my Word is Bond, and am much more careful about what I say. And make sure to do what I say I'm going to do, or not say it at all, according to my true conscience. i will try and wait patiently - Please do. My internet access is limited, and I have a weird schedule right now. I see. A career skill to fall back on is usually a good thing(something I don't really have right now). Ah, of course. If anyone has any stories about the lives of other planets and their astral travels to them, please share some with us.  1. what do you mean by 'religious stuff' I mean the "Mystery Schools" and Lodges that apparently created all of the worlds main religions and who encrypted occult science within these religion's teachings. In the Absolute sense, as I've said: "Rigpa", or what the Gnostics call "Christus-Lucifer", etc. In the relative sense it refers to light, talent, vitality, wealth, warmth, voluptuousness, magnetism, charisma, etc. and "Illuminati" can refer to those who seem to want to monopolize this Light. Good question. I'd like to see if I can elaborate on that more. They could be what some refer to as the cosmic tyrants who created this physical Universe, collectively known as the Demiurge, the Lords of Karma, etc. Some having physical bodies on this Earth, and some not having physical bodies though living in other dimensions, Heavens, Planes, Buddha-Fields, etc. Again, I'd like to elaborate more on this, and should have some new discussion threads in the near future to do so. Peace |
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Post by Tamahu on Jun 23, 2009 3:18:55 GMT -5
I agree. Although what I'm saying is why, if said cultures had representations of the Tree of Life before the Jews ever existed, would RUNA or SAW utilize the Jewish diagram of the Tree instead of the representations of the Tree of Life that earlier cultures utilized? That's why I referenced The Fetch's Illuminatus Archive where he points out the incompleteness(to say the least) of the Jewish layout of the Tree of Life: cradle2dagrave.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ASAMANTHINKETH&action=display&thread=761&page=1#4111I think that the Jewish Kabbalah layout of the Tree of Life could be an okay start, but I have reason to suspect that it is very incomplete, even with the consideration of it's Four Worlds, and is also full of blinds. Of course the various Buddhist Mandalas of the Tree of Life(Mt. Meru), the Khemetian and Sumerian representations, etc. are likely full of 'blinds' as well. I ought to study The Fetch's postings more to see whether or not he's really onto something profound. Peace
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jun 24, 2009 15:24:54 GMT -5
Wow, this thread has metastasized greatly, more than I'd originally anticipated!!  I'm quite impressed with the evolution of this subject, and with the expression of the knowledge from each of the participants. Allow me to touch on various statements having been made, as well as answer my own initial questions… But before I begin, I would like to say that this topic is exhaustive, and I know I won’t cover everything in this thread. But this will serve as a great means to begin. I see the BIBLE, in it’s entirety, to be grafted and contaminated POISON, that has caused far more trouble than it has solved. I have come to learn that the Bible is a book that is rife with misogyny, racism, cultural bias, stolen spiritual legacies, and extremely questionable ethics. I will speak further on this, as this thread develops. Yes, as with most “Holy Scriptures” that I have encountered, and have read it cover to cover, and in this case, more than once. Each time that I’d read it, it was for different reasons, and thus I’d discovered different things each time from it. Hellz to da nawl. It is my hope to address everyone here in this thread, but I would like to begin with Max Mercury’s statements initially… (BTW, I can’t keep up with all your name changes, LOL!!) *What are your general views on the Bible? book written by men for various reasons: - politics - entertainment For the most part, I agree. The men who wrote this book were not nearly enlightened enough to have written it for the purpose of self enlightenment. The proof of this lies with the result of their actions, both within the context of the story, and the actual historical events that pro/preceded the story. *Have you read the Bible in its entirety? If not, how much have you read? - no - but enough of it for me to be satisfied (aka - i get the point) Ironically, if you've read enough of the Bible, to have arrived at the conclusion that you did from above, then I'd say that you've read enough of it, LOL. *Is the Bible important to your own personal spiritual/cultural growth and development? - emphatically yes - after the 3rd eye opening - i recognized it as a well constructed piece of literature which metaphorically (and melodramatically) commented on many metaphysical observations Not sure I agree with this... But I'm going to elaborate later on many of my findings within the Bible, as this thread develops further... Or, I may just create a series of threads, dedicated to the subject. overall on a scale of 1 - 7 in terms of its effectiveness as a tool for growth and development: i give it a 4.8 LOL, you rank it far higher than I would. It would get a 2 from me, and it only gets that much, because it served the purpose of exposing the ancient culprits that have physically, mentally, and spiritually enslaved humanity. maybe we should try to identify these stages - for example: 1. unaware of the stories Agreed. Most people are grossly unaware of the origins of these “stories”, and the socio-political climates which birthed them. This lack of knowledge is deathly hazardous, when attempting to live by a theology created from it. 2. hear the stories and take them literally Yet another issue, that only further permeates the ignorance of the uninformed. 3. question the legitimacy of the stories I’m going to go into further detail with this as well… Suffice it to say, much of the notions that we have about Biblical stories are bogus. 4. explore the context of the stories and when they were written See #1. But this doesn’t happen, because A) people don’t bother to read the book in its entirety, and B) they lack any academic and extracurricular training, with which to look at these stories with a more scrutinous eye. 5. examine the stories as metaphor I would have no problems looking at the Bible in this manner; in fact I have seen in my research that much of it is actually to be seen in this manner. However, when looking at ALL of the issues that I’d sited in my comments from earlier, whatever value that can come from these metaphors becomes a mute point, when looking at the overall problems that the Bible presents. 6. consider the stories as some kind of magic code Yeah, whatever on that.  7. understand that words are powerful and the stories can be viewed in many ways Agreed. However, this is still hazardous, when considering how “modern” society has (not) developed, as a result of believing in the various facets of the Abrahamic Legacy (Jewish, Christian, Muslim). More to come, stay tuned... But in the meantime, feel free to Add-On, and ask in Q's you all might deem relevant. HOTEPU |
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Jun 24, 2009 18:11:24 GMT -5
All of this religious stuff is controlled by the "Illuminati", whether it's the Black Gods(5%) and Yakub and his White Devils(10%), the 'Osirians' and 'Setians', or the "White Lodge" and the "Black Lodge"(as a side-note, Theosophical, Scottish Rite, and Egyptian Rite FreeMason C.W. Leadbeater breaks down the 33 Degrees this way: Blue Masonry = 1st-3rd degrees, Red Masonry = 4th-29th degrees, Black Masonry = the 30th degree(and also the 18th degree?), White Masonry = 31st-33rd degrees. The Egyptian Rite goes up to 99th degree, while some imply that the 120 Lessons are an esoteric summary of 120 Masonic Degrees which is one third of 360 Degrees of the Knowledge of the Original Man). This idea has occered to me, only because of the masonic associaion with the number 33, and 33.3 being one third of one hundred while 120 is a third of 360. But how can the 120 come from masonry if it was broken down from the nation of islam, by clarence 13 X? How could such a transmition of masonry take place? |
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Jun 24, 2009 18:22:27 GMT -5
The Hebrew teachings seem to me to be nothing more than heavily veiled and/or watered down teachings of the Sumerians, Nubians, Khemetians, Tamils, Dravidians, Phoenicians, Brahmins, etc. The Swastika comes from Yungdrung Bon, and the Square and Compass or "Star of David" is based on the Tantric Dharmodaya: Dharmodaya: Reality Source"The Bible" having more of a fear factor, genocide, infanticides, etc. than other religions' scriptures. Of course Kabbalists would say that these things are all symbolic, which they may be. Although It's ludicrous to me that people who take "the Bible" literally don't question these things. The hypocrisy kills me. One can get fired for talking about sex at work, yet the guy doing the firing might go to church on Sunday and read about Yahweh ordering his "Prophets" to rape, murder, and pillage a city(or almost as bad, I almost got fired for saying straight sexual jokes at work, all the while the company I work for did specially-made gay-pride name-tags that are allowed to be worn in the workplace. What the fuck!?) "The Bible" is more R-rated and X-rated than anything I've ever seen. Yet we're taught in this "Christian" society that it's bad to have lustful thoughts of women. How gay is that shit? There is a lot of violence in the Bible, but this is an accurate reprensntation of the the world, and if you look at it, the Bible puts the violence of the world into a perspective in that it shows the progresion from the garden of eden to the fall of man, to the murdur of kane and able, to the jewish religion, i.e. comandments faith and social order, to redemption in christ. Not saying this is the perfect explanation of the world, just saying the "unfavorable" aspects of the bible may be there for a reason. Example, God ordering Abraham to kill his child. Makes God out to be a wack job, and Abraham out to be a schizo, but it teaches that one has to be, "the father and the lord of the sword" perhaps, or perfectly faithful and compleatly submissive to God even to the point of recognizing the limits of your own understaning and attachments to things of this world. But, Tamahu, you didnt answer my whole question, which is why does El Eloh, from Lost Children of Babylon refer to "the disagreable complex mathamatics of the hebrew bible"? As this would imply that although the order of the bible is disagreable it is nonetheless mathamatics. I believe you would possibly understand such a term as "disagreeble complex matamatics" in that it seems to be an exact, spitualy harmonious, "rightous" pronounciation. |
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jun 24, 2009 19:43:30 GMT -5
All of this religious stuff is controlled by the "Illuminati", whether it's the Black Gods(5%) and Yakub and his White Devils(10%), the 'Osirians' and 'Setians', or the "White Lodge" and the "Black Lodge"(as a side-note, Theosophical, Scottish Rite, and Egyptian Rite FreeMason C.W. Leadbeater breaks down the 33 Degrees this way: Blue Masonry = 1st-3rd degrees, Red Masonry = 4th-29th degrees, Black Masonry = the 30th degree(and also the 18th degree?), White Masonry = 31st-33rd degrees. The Egyptian Rite goes up to 99th degree, while some imply that the 120 Lessons are an esoteric summary of 120 Masonic Degrees which is one third of 360 Degrees of the Knowledge of the Original Man). This idea has occered to me, only because of the masonic associaion with the number 33, and 33.3 being one third of one hundred while 120 is a third of 360. But how can the 120 come from masonry if it was broken down from the nation of islam, by clarence 13 X? How could such a transmition of masonry take place? PEACE: It should be made known, that much of the NOI theology came from Masonry, especially since many of the hierarchy (including Elijah) were at one time Masons. Further, I've come in contact with many 5%er's who were/are Masons, and some of them have attested that Clarence 13X was at least at one time, a Mason himself. They also attest that the 120 is structured very similarly to how the Masons structure their Q&A's. |
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or the connection between the book of genesis and the babylonian/sumerian epic of gilgamesh and the enuma elis?? or the connection between ausar-auset-horus and god-mary and christ??
