THE BIBLE

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

Jun 30, 2009 13:30:43 GMT -5 Tamahu said:

Peace

First of all, I question altogether the 'intelligence' that 'designed' this physical Universe and other lower dimensions via the "Law of Karma" and also what the Buddhists call "Interdependent Origination". Some refer to this "Intelligence" as "the Demiurge", "the Lords of Karma", etc.

DONT YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE THE 'INTELEGENCE THAT DESIGNED THIS PHYSICAL UNIVERCE?

AND FURTHUR DONT YOU BELIEVE THAT THE PRINCIPALS THAT GOVERN THE UNIVERSE ARE AS NATURAL AS A YIN YANG POLARITY, OR LIGHT AND DARKNESS DUALITY MEANING, THE RULE OF KARMA IS AS FUNDAMENTAL AS FACT THAT YOU CANT STAND WITHOUT A FLOOR.


So my questioning of the design of "karma" and "interdependent origination" altogether, is my basis right now for discussing any spiritual 'path' Biblical or otherwise(and this is why I bring up Dzogchen, because it's teachings state that once one enters their Primordial or Natural State(and is able to remain in it), the karmic laws of the lower vehicles of Buddhism, both Sutric and Tantric, no longer apply, assuming that the individual is actually in the Natural State as opposed to just thinking that they are).

WHAT ARE THE KARMIC LAWS OF THE LOWER VEHICLES AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERERENCE BETWEEN SUTRIC AND TANTRIC. AND WHAT IS INTERDEPENDENT ORIGINATION?



I HAVE ENTERTAINED SIMILAR QUESTIONS AS THE ONES YOU POSE REGARDING ANY LORDS THAT MIGHT POSSESS THE SPIRITUAL RHELMS. ONE BEING, THE HOUR, AS IT IS REFERED TO IN THE KORAN, AND THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT AS IT IS REGARDED IN THE BIBLE, DO YOU THINK THESE EVENTS ARE FACITS OF BEING, AND AS EMENENT AS RESPERATION AND CONCIOUSNESS OF SELF. OR DO YOU BELIEVE THEY ARE ACTUAL OCCURENCES THAT ARE DISTINGUISHED FROM PERIODS OF REPRIVE AS THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE KORAN. AND DO YOU THINK THAT IF THE "LORDS OF KARMA" KEEP EVEN ONES FATE AS IT IS DELT BY THE UNIVERSE THEY WILL MAKE ONE AWARE OF THEIR CONDEMNATION TO DAMNATION, OR WILL THEY POSSIBLY REIGN FROM SOME DEMENTION BEYOND TIME AND ALLOW ONE TO REINCARNATE INDEFINATLY FLOUNDERING WITH NO KNOWLEGE THAT ONE IS EVEN INVOLVED IN A VICOUS CYCLE?

PEACE

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[SAMURAI36]

Jul 5, 2009 14:43:34 GMT -5 Dr. D-Resperatation said:

Okay, I will check it out. But what baffles me, is that you are aware, at least to some extent, of the "conspiracy" regarding the lies told, but remain oblivious to the agenda of the Illuminati. Why so?
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ITS FUNNY THE INTRODUCTION TO THE ARTICLES IN THIS BOOK ESTABLISHES THE PROPENSITY FOR SCIENTITS TO RESIST CHANGE TO THE PARADIGM AND REJECT EVIDENCE THAT CHANGES CERTAIN HELD BELIEFS LIKE THAT OF THE ICE AGE, EVOLUTION, ATLANTIS, THE AGE OF THE PYRIMIDS, AND MU, ETC, BUT THE AUTHORS OF THE BOOOK WHO ARE MORE FARMILAR WITH THIS SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT'S PURPOSEFULL BLIND EYE, ATRIBUTES IT NOT TO A CONSPIRICY, BUT TO A SUCONCIIOUS FEAR OF A MEMORY OF AN EARLYIER AGE THAT WE ARE AFAID TO ACKNOWLEGE. THIS SUCONSIOUS FEAR DOES NOT SOUND IMPOSSIBLE TO ME, BUT I AM MORE INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT THE SCIENTIFIC COMUNITY TREATS DISEMINATION OF KNOWLEGE LIKE A HIRARCHICAL BUSSINESS AND WONT TELL YOU THE TRUTH FOR FREE, UNLESS YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE FAITHFULL TO THEIR COMUNITY.

And how is this different in premise or in practice, from a "conspiracy"?

Are you able to read the language that the Scrolls were written in?
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OF COURCE NOT.

Then, you are taking the word of people whom you have no knowledge of their background, let alone their intentions or agenda in general, as well as for translating this work, in particular.

This is not problematic for you?

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This is not significant to you?
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IT CONCEARNS ME, BUT I KNOW THAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB PUTTIN TOGEATHE FRAMENTS OF PARCHMENT AND TRANSLATING THEM THAN I COULD DO, SO I CANT REALLY CRITIZIZE.

And you "know" this, how? Once again, in your self-limitations, you've given power to unknown parties, especially in regards to a document that could very well have an impact on your very own personal spiritual development.

This doesn't behoove you to make a little more vested interest in said spiritual development?

WHEN I FIRST HAD THE BOOK, I WAS CONVINCED "THE REAL JEWS WERE BLACK" DUE TO THE FACT THAT I BELIVED MOSES WAS AKENAHTEN, SO I THOUGHT PARTS OF THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS THAT PROLCLIAM A RIGHTOUS MEMBER OF THE CONGRAGATIONS WITH RED HAIR, I THOUGHT WERE A LIE. BUT NOW I HAVE NO REASON TO QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THE SEGEMENTS I HAVE.

So with that said, just curious: what do you believe about the "Real Jews" now?

And for the record, I've never understood the point of this exonymous renaming of "Moses to Ankhen-Aten", and other such improbabilities. If the Bible can name the city of "PI-RAMESES", and mention Pharoahs such as Sheshonq, then clearly they can name Aten, if that story was based on him. What would be the purpose of doing otherwise?

THEY ARE NOT COMPOSED OF FULL STORIES, ITS JUST SEGMENTS WITH PARTS THAT ARE LEFT OUT DUE TO BECAUSE THEY WERE UNTRANSLATEABLE FOR SOME REASON.

Untranslatable, on whose part? The part of the original author? Or the modern-day translators?

If it's the latter, my question is, how do you know? That's merely the pat answer that we've all been given. We both have agreed that these people withold info, for whatever reason.



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Are you saying the Scrolls contain the Book of Enoch, or just mention Enoch by name? If it's the former, I find it interesting then, that the Church has opted not to include this book as canon.

If it's the latter, then there's no reason why the story of Enoch cannot be embellished.
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IT HAS THE BOOK OF ENOCH, BUT ITS ALL IN FRAGEMENTS. I HAVE NO KNOWLEGE AS TO WHY THE BOOK OF ENOCH IS NOT IN CANNON. I FIND THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH FATHERS SELECTED SOME JEWISH LITERATURE AND REFUSED OTHER GOSPELLS AND SUCH TO BE SUSPECT.

This was my point from the very beginning. Thus, you don't know if the text you are reading in "The Bible" is even a complete document in and of itself. If they added John 3:16, then they could have very easily subtracted some texts.

JUST AS I FIND IT SUSPECT THAT THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE REFERS TO SAINTS, WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE CHURCH WAS ESTABLISHED SO HOW COUDLD ANYONE BE CONSIDERED A SAINT, AND THE ORIGINAL TRANSATION REFERS TO THERE BEING GODS IN THE OLD TESTEMENT.

In all fairness, "Saint" is just another synonym for holy man. They used "Angels" much in the same manner. That doesn't stop people from deifying or spiritualizing angels though.

For example, in Genesis, 3 "Angels" visited with Abraham, and Abraham offered them meat to eat.

So "Angels" need to eat meat?
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For instance, it was the church that has embellished the writings of Josephus and other early "Christian" authors. Also, are you not aware that JOHN 3:16 was added to the text?

But here is an example of what I'm speaking of:

www.burningcross.net/crusades/dead-sea-scrolls-crisis.html
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:oDONT TELL THAT TO THE CHRISTIANS.

Or to the people who believe in the Bible as a whole..... Not unlike yourself.

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Fair enough then. This point is stalemated.

Bad example. That's only valid if the only intention was to show a person how to fly a kite, and nothing more. However, that's a huge assumption on the part of the reader still.



Pleasure or profit are significant motivators, and also significant identifiers for agenda. Profit speaks for itself, but what "pleasure" is gained from someone knowing how to fly a kite?
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ITS A HOBBY. PEOPLE LIKE TO INVOLVE OTHERS IN THEIR PERSONAL HOBBIES AND SPREAD THEIR ENJOYMENT.
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Irrelevant to why the kite manual was written.
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WOULD YOU SUSPECT AN ALTERIOUR MOTIVE FOR A KITE MANUEL?

There's room for any agenda, so long as the agenda is not determined. And that's the whole point of my perspective about this.

Why was the story of "Jack and Jill" written, and been made to be recited over and over in schools? Who wrote that story?

How did you arrive at this interpretation?

Do you have "knowledge of good and evil"? Or are you in a "state of nakedness"? If so, did you have to "eat from a tree" (be it literal or metaphorical) in order to receive it?

Why would you not want it? What is it like to not have it, do you know?

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WHAT YOU JUST WROTE SUGGESTS YOU DONT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE METAPHORE.[/quote]

Not that I don't understand it, just that I don't agree with the general interpretation of it.

ITS NOT AN ISSUE OF EITHER ONE HAS KNOWLEGE OF G. AND E. OR ONE IS IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS. THE K. OF G. AND E. AWAKENS ONE SELF TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NAKED.

How is this different from what I asked?

THE ISSUE OF REALISING ONES NAKEDNESS IS DEEP. IT IMPLIES MAN HAD NO SHAME UNTILL HE KNEW OF GOOD AND EVIL, SO MAN WAS PROBABLY EVIL BEFORE HE ATE FROM THE TREE, BUT DID NOT KNOW THE FEELING.

This is the general Abrahamic POV, one that I wholly disagree with. It coincides with the notion that Man is essentially "sinful" in nature, and doomed from the start.

This POV disagrees with all of the cultures that originally spawned the Tree Of Life concept.

PERHAPS HE WAS IN THE CONCIOUS STATE OF AN ANIMAL. OR PERHAPS HE WAS IN A CONCIOUOS STATE OF BLISS WHERE ANIMALISTIC TENDENCIES WERE NOT PRESENT IN HIM. EITHER ONE COULD BE INFERED.

Have you ever heard it said, that when they are born, babies are more in touch with "God", than at any other point in their lives, and that the older they get, the more they lose that connection?

I hear this said amongst common folk... Folk that essentially believe that Adam & Eve "cursed to sin" non-sense.

The Kemetic Pa'ut Neter (Tree of Life) works totally the opposite; we learn that the Human BA (soul) is a portion of the Divine, posited into a human vessel, for the purpose of learning and experiencing individualized, differentiated experiences, for the purpose of enhancing Its own consciousnessl.

"Good and evil" are not divine concepts, but rather humane points of reference.

Is a tornado "evil", when it destroys children's lives?

THE POINT IS HE ENTERED INTO A PHYCIC RHELM WHERE THE TRUE MEANING OF LIFE, WITH THE PROFOUND POLARITITY OF GOOD AND EVIL DAWNED UPON HIM, AS OPPOSED TO LIFE MOVING FORWARD WITH NO ELEMENT OF SELF CONCOUIOUSNESS AND MORAL RESPONCIBILITY.

This sounds like more justification. Is that also why Moses killed all those children, because "the true meaning of life dawned upon him"?

Your interpretations lack consistency with the rest of the text. You conveniently continue to omit the horrors and atrocities that are the direct result of "Good and evil", which your perspective never accounts for.

Further, the glarring difference becomes all the more apparent between the different cultures and the Biblical story. For one, the presence of the "Devil" in the Tree story also implies that there is evil intent or reprocussions behind eating from the Tree. Why did the Biblical author add the Devil to the text, when there was no Devil, or subsequent evil involved in the older versions?

In the Kemetic, for instance, the Tree is correspondent to the Human spine, and the Goddess serpent, Renutet, whom is far from evil, moves up the "Tree" to warm herself under the rays of RA.

Sound familiar? If not, then picture this:

Thus, RA, the life force that animates creation, culminates in the "Apple" or the orb at the top of the Tree.

BUT I SUPPOSE I CANT FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS SUBJECT UNTILL I READ THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS OF THE MYTH.

Why is it necessary to read and learn the original versions, if you are so convinced of this version?

But for FYI, this was the reason why the Jews went into such overkill to destroy the spiritual systems of other cultures; there's no way they their stupidity of a religion would have made any sense, when compared to the systems that spawned it.

It's like the state of Hip-Hop right now... The youth doesn't realize how bad Souljah boy and Lil Wayne are, because they haven't heard Canibus and Wu-Tang. And they have heard these, because the powers that be makes sure that they don't get exposed to them.

That's the agenda.

"God" has never told the Kemetians, Sumerians, Canaanites, etc that Her/His creations (humans) cannot achieve something, and the Divine has certainly not punished us for qualities that Itself had given us.... At least, not according to those texts.

However, in the Bible, mental and spiritual growth is continuously punishable by death (would you like the verses that demonstrate this?). The God of the Bible and Qur'an doesn't want us to ascend, while the Deities of the other cultures highly encourage it.

This is why literary context is of the utmost importance. What was going on in the mind of the author, that he would askew the systems that he stole from?

PEACE

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

Are you able to read the language that the Scrolls were written in?
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OF COURCE NOT.



Then, you are taking the word of people whom you have no knowledge of their background, let alone their intentions or agenda in general, as well as for translating this work, in particular.

This is not problematic for you?

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WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, LEARN THE LANGUAGE THE SCROLLS WERE WRITTEN IN?
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This is not significant to you?
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IT CONCEARNS ME, BUT I KNOW THAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB PUTTIN TOGEATHE FRAMENTS OF PARCHMENT AND TRANSLATING THEM THAN I COULD DO, SO I CANT REALLY CRITIZIZE.
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And you "know" this, how? Once again, in your self-limitations, you've given power to unknown parties, especially in regards to a document that could very well have an impact on your very own personal spiritual development.

This doesn't behoove you to make a little more vested interest in said spiritual development?
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FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT THEIR TRANSLATION UNLESS I AM OPPORTATING FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT ALL SCHOLARLY WORK IS TAINTED BY THE HAND OF CONSPIRICY.

BUT NO, THERE IS NO WAY I AM GOING TO COMPETE WITH TRAINED HANDS WHO SPENT YEARS OF EDUCATION LEARNING TO TRANSLATE THE LANGUAGE AND KNOW ALL DETAILS ABOUT THE CULTURE PROFESIONALY.
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So with that said, just curious: what do you believe about the "Real Jews" now?

And for the record, I've never understood the point of this exonymous renaming of "Moses to Ankhen-Aten", and other such improbabilities. If the Bible can name the city of "PI-RAMESES", and mention Pharoahs such as Sheshonq, then clearly they can name Aten, if that story was based on him. What would be the purpose of doing otherwise?
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I BELIEVE THE REAL JEWS ARE 144,OOO FROM ALL THE TRIBES OF ISREAL...POSSIBLY "A GREAT MULTITUDE THAT NO ONE COULD COUNT, FROM EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE, AND LAGUAGE". NOT "THOSE WHO CLAIM THEY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT".

ARE YOU FARMILIAR WITH THIS BOOK: ?

NOT SAYING THAT I KNOW THIS BOOK IS TRUE FOR A FACT,
BUT I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST WAS AN INITIATE OF KEMETEN WISDOM SCHOOLS, AND THE JEWS WERE PROBABLY PEOPLE WITH SOME SPECIAL ATRIBUTE TO THEIR BLOOD, AND POSSIBLY NOT RACIALY HOMOGENOUS.
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Untranslatable, on whose part? The part of the original author? Or the modern-day translators?

If it's the latter, my question is, how do you know? That's merely the pat answer that we've all been given. We both have agreed that these people withold info, for whatever reason.
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MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THEY WERE UNTRANSLATEABLE IS THAT THEY WERE HARDENED AND ROLLED WHEN THEY WERE DISCOVED AND OFTEN BROKEN AND THEY HAD TO BE PUT TOGEATHER LIKE PIECES OF A PUZZLE.
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Quote:ITS NOT AN ISSUE OF EITHER ONE HAS KNOWLEGE OF G. AND E. OR ONE IS IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS. THE K. OF G. AND E. AWAKENS ONE SELF TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NAKED.



How is this different from what I asked?
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BECAUSE YOU SAID DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL OR ARE YOU IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS, BUT THE STORY DEMONSTRATES THAT ONE ONLY KNOWS THEY ARE IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS IF THEY HAVE KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL,
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This is the general Abrahamic POV, one that I wholly disagree with. It coincides with the notion that Man is essentially "sinful" in nature, and doomed from the start....

Have you ever heard it said, that when they are born, babies are more in touch with "God", than at any other point in their lives, and that the older they get, the more they lose that connection?

I hear this said amongst common folk... Folk that essentially believe that Adam & Eve "cursed to sin" non-sense.

The Kemetic Pa'ut Neter (Tree of Life) works totally the opposite; we learn that the Human BA (soul) is a portion of the Divine, posited into a human vessel, for the purpose of learning and experiencing individualized, differentiated experiences, for the purpose of enhancing Its own consciousnessl.

"Good and evil" are not divine concepts, but rather humane points of reference.

Is a tornado "evil", when it destroys children's lives?
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I AGREE WITH YOU THAT EVIL IS FUNDAMENTALLY A NON ISSUE, MEANING WHEN YOU HAVE AN INSTANCE OF EVIL, NOT A TORNADO, THAT IS BLIND FORCE, BUT SAY A RAPE OR MURDUR, WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH CAN MORE PROPERLY BE UNDERSTOOD AS A SICKNESS, OR AN EXCESS OF ANGRY ENERGY MIXED WITH UNBRIDLED EMOTION. SOME PEOPLE WOULD RATHER ATRIBUTE THE ACTONS TO EVIL, THEREBY CREATING A FORCE THAT IS TO PERCIEVED AS HAVING POWER. HOWEVER I DO BELIEVE MAN IS FALLEN FROM A STATE OF GRACE. ONLY I HAVE THE MODERN CAPACITY TO PERCIEVE IT FROM A SCIENTIFIC VIEW. THERE IS A VERCE IN THE KORAN THAT SAYS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF "WE CITE TIME AS EVIDENCE THAT MANKIND IS AT A LOSS" ARE YOU FARMILIAR WITH THIS VERCE. PERHAPS THE TIME HAS COME FOR MAN TO WAKE UP AND NOLONGER BE LIMITED BY THIS INCAPACITY TO SURVIVE TIME, BUT NONETHELESS, ONE MUST THINK THAT MANKIND, AS OPPOSED TO GODKIND, EXISTED FOR A TIME FOR A REASON.

AND FURTHER, ONE COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT MANKIND IS INDEED FALLEN FROM THE GLORY OF THE GODS, GENETICLY, IN THAT I READ SOMEWERE OUR DNA HAS 12 SPECIFIC LEVELS OF ACTIVATION AND MANKIND MOSTLY HAS ONLY ACHIEVED ACTIVATION OF THE FIRST 3.


BUT THATS A SMALL ISSUE.

LET ME CLARIFY MY SELF A LITTLE BIT. I TRY TO BE VERY LIBERAL WITH MY VIEWS ON RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY. MEANING EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE CAN DEFEAT THE BIBLE ONE THOUSAND WAYS FROM TUESDAY, ALL YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN KILLING THE BIBLE IS CREATE A MORAL VACUME. AND EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD SAY THE BIBLE IS PEOPLE'S JUSTIFICATION FOR ACTING STUPID, I REALLY THINK PEOPLE USE THE BIBLE AS A SYMBOL OF GOOD DEFEATING EVIL FOR THE MOST PART.

I RECOGNISE THE NEED TO RECOGNISE REALITY AND EXPRESS THE FACT THAT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES AND REPRESENTS IS COMPLEATLY CONTRADITORY, BUT JUGEING THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO EMBRASE THE SYMBOL OF THE BIBLE IS RATHER TRITE, BECAUSE YOU MUST RECOGNIZE THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS, AND WHEN YOU DISMISS THESE REASONS YOU OPPEN YOUR SELF UP TO THEIR SCRUTENY IN THINGS YOU PROBABLY ASSUME ARE HARMLESS.

MY ONLY BASIS FOR BELIVEING THE BIBLE IS THAT JESUS SAID, "WHERE EVER TWO OR MORE OF YOU PRAY IN MY NAME, THERE I WILL BE" SO WHEN PEOPLE VEST FAITH THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS THE BIBLE, THEY MAKE THE BIBLE SACRED. IT IS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE SPIRTUALIZE WATER, OR PRACTICE DAILY RITUALS. LET ME GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I USED TO STRUGLE WITH CATHOLOCISM, BUT THE MOST SELFLESS THING I COULD DO WAS SUBMIT TO IT, DESPITE MY WILL TO BE FREE OF THE RESTRAINTS OF THAT PARTICULAR FAITH.
HOWEVER, I REMEMBER ONE SPECIFIC INSTANCE WHEN I WENT TO RECIEVE COMUNION, THAT I COULD CEARLY VISIBLY SEE AND FEEL "THE SPIRT" OF GOD OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, OR JESUS, OR WHO KNOWS WHEN THE PRIEST PUT THE COMUNIION IN MY HAND. I DECIDED THE NEXT WEEK THAT THIS WAS APLICABLE TO EVERYTHING WITHOUT A PRIEST AND STOPPED GOING TO CHURCH, BUT THE POINT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH CATHOLCISM AS A RELIGION IS VERY IRATIONAL, THE FAITH THAT PEOPLE POSIT IN IT MAKES IT REAL. AND THE SAME THING APPLES TO THE BIBLE.

[SAMURAI36]

Jul 6, 2009 1:22:04 GMT -5 Dr. D-Resperatation said:

How did you arrive at this interpretation?

Do you have "knowledge of good and evil"? Or are you in a "state of nakedness"? If so, did you have to "eat from a tree" (be it literal or metaphorical) in order to receive it?

Why would you not want it? What is it like to not have it, do you know?


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WHAT YOU JUST WROTE SUGGESTS YOU DONT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE METAPHORE.

Not that I don't understand it, just that I don't agree with the general interpretation of it.


Quote:ITS NOT AN ISSUE OF EITHER ONE HAS KNOWLEGE OF G. AND E. OR ONE IS IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS. THE K. OF G. AND E. AWAKENS ONE SELF TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NAKED.



How is this different from what I asked?
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BECAUSE YOU SAID DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL OR ARE YOU IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS, BUT THE STORY DEMONSTRATES THAT ONE ONLY KNOWS THEY ARE IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS IF THEY HAVE KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL,

BUT THATS A SMALL ISSUE.

Semantics. What I should have said, is do you have knowledge of good and evil, or do you perceive yourself as being in a state of nakedness at this point.

LET ME CLARIFY MY SELF A LITTLE BIT. I TRY TO BE VERY LIBERAL WITH MY VIEWS ON RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY. MEANING EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE CAN DEFEAT THE BIBLE ONE THOUSAND WAYS FROM TUESDAY, ALL YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN KILLING THE BIBLE IS CREATE A MORAL VACUME.

I vehemently disagree. There would only be a vaccum, if there is nothing to fill it with alternatively. You continue to disregard other systems that are, and always have been in place, despite the presence of the Bible.

I have always had a problem with the fact that the Bible is seen as the default religion, when the reality is that it's merely one of many. For instance, Judaism is considered a "major world religion", which is really incorrect, since fewer people practice or claim Judaism, than other world religion. There are more Buddhists than Jews in the world, but Buddhism is not seen as a "great religion".

Islam, Christianity, and Judaism (not in that order) are seen as the "3 Great religions". Who is the source of such bias? And why do they continue to proprogate such non-sense?

AND EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD SAY THE BIBLE IS PEOPLE JUSTIFICATION FOR ACTING STUPID, I REALLY THINK PEOPLE USE THE BIBLE AS A SYMBOL OF GOOD DEFEATING EVIL FOR THE MOST PART.

LMAO. When exactly has that ever happened?

That's like saying "I use cigarettes to promote healthy lungs".

I suppose then, that it's sheer coincidence, that we see in most Bible-dominated societies, the very same rape, murder, theivery, ignorance, intolerance, wars, misogyny, slavery, cultural bias, etc that we plainly see in the Bible, yes?

I RECOGNISE THE NEED TO RECOGNISE REALITY AND EXPRESS THE FACT THAT WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES AND REPRESENTS IS COMPLEATLY CONTRADITORY, BUT JUGEING THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO EMBRASE THE SYMBOL OF THE BIBLE IS RATHER TRITE, BECAUSE YOU MUST RECOGNIZE THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS, AND WHEN YOU DISMISS THESE REASONS YOU OPPEN YOUR SELF UP TO SCRUTENY IN THINGS YOU PROBABLY ASSUEME ARE HARMLESS.

This is just more justification of the absurdity that is the Bible. The reality is, most of these people you claim are using this Bible, haven't even read it--Just like you haven't.

They are continuously bombarded with the same few verses from it over and over (such as John 3:16, a verse that wasn't even originally in the Bible, go figure).

It's the same conspiracy/hidden agenda that goes back to the days of Constantine, with his decress of EN HOC SIGNO VINCES.

Under whose auspices to you think John 3:16 was added?

But oh yes, you think discerning these truths is a "trite" endeavor. What you call trite, I call the pursuit of truth.

Your "moral vaccuum" implies that people can't--and won't-- pick another, and perhaps a better spiritual system in lieu of the Bible.

You seem totally unable, or perhaps unwilling, to imagine yourself operating outside of the Biblical paradigm. That is truly sad. I realize the icy grip the Bible can have on one's heart and mind, such is the perspective of someone who puts "faith" over enlightenment.

But then again, what is to be expected, when "The Devil", whom we are clearly to avoid, is responsible for telling us to disobey God and find enlightenment from the Tree.

HOTEPU

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

Semantics. What I should have said, is do you have knowledge of good and evil, or do you perceive yourself as being in a state of nakedness at this point.

YOUR STILL MISSING THE POINT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ESSENSILY,

ARE YOU CHRISTIAN, OR DO YOU BELIVE CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS.
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LMAO. When exactly has that ever happened?

That's like saying "I use cigarettes to promote healthy lungs".

I suppose then, that it's sheer coincidence, that we see in most Bible-dominated societies, the very same rape, murder, theivery, ignorance, intolerance, wars, misogyny, slavery, cultural bias, etc that we plainly see in the Bible, yes?
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I GUESS ITS ALL HOW YOU LOOK AT IT. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE MOVIE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. THE LAWER'S MOTHER SEEMS TO ME TO BE A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN BIBLE BELIEVER. ARE YOU SAYING THAT PEOPLE LIKE HER DO NOT EXIST?

[SAMURAI36]

Jul 6, 2009 1:22:04 GMT -5 Dr. D-Resperatation said:

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, LEARN THE LANGUAGE THE SCROLLS WERE WRITTEN IN?

LMAO, is this a trick question?

Of course you are!!! I have been learning KEMAU. Linguistics is integral to understanding ancient wisdom. You know, it's funny that with most modern-day translations of Ancient scriptures, on 1 side of the page, there's the English (or French, Spanish, etc) translation, and on the other side of the very same page is the original script.

Non-Hindu practicioners of that faith are encouraged to learn Sanskrit, Non-Tibetan Buddhists are encouraged to learn Chinese..... Hell, even the Qur'an has Arabic, that Non-Arab Muslims are encouraged to learn.

Yet, the Bible is the oddity. The Bible was allegedly written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, yet Christians, the most "faith-based" believers have no interest in learning the language(s) of their faith.... Only to "have faith" that what they are reading is the word of God.

But of course, you see no problem with this, correct?

This is not significant to you?
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IT CONCEARNS ME, BUT I KNOW THAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB PUTTIN TOGEATHE FRAMENTS OF PARCHMENT AND TRANSLATING THEM THAN I COULD DO, SO I CANT REALLY CRITIZIZE.
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And you "know" this, how? Once again, in your self-limitations, you've given power to unknown parties, especially in regards to a document that could very well have an impact on your very own personal spiritual development.

This doesn't behoove you to make a little more vested interest in said spiritual development?
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FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT THEIR TRANSLATION UNLESS I AM OPPORTATING FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT ALL SCHOLARLY WORK IS TAINTED BY THE HAND OF CONSPIRICY.

Your pension for passive-aggression is noticeable. Didn't you say earier, regarding the book that you endorsed to me:

"ITS FUNNY THE INTRODUCTION TO THE ARTICLES IN THIS BOOK ESTABLISHES THE PROPENSITY FOR SCIENTITS TO RESIST CHANGE TO THE PARADIGM AND REJECT EVIDENCE THAT CHANGES CERTAIN HELD BELIEFS LIKE THAT OF THE ICE AGE, EVOLUTION, ATLANTIS, THE AGE OF THE PYRIMIDS, AND MU, ETC, BUT THE AUTHORS OF THE BOOOK WHO ARE MORE FARMILAR WITH THIS SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT'S PURPOSEFULL BLIND EYE, ATRIBUTES IT NOT TO A CONSPIRICY, BUT TO A SUCONCIIOUS FEAR OF A MEMORY OF AN EARLYIER AGE THAT WE ARE AFAID TO ACKNOWLEGE. THIS SUCONSIOUS FEAR DOES NOT SOUND IMPOSSIBLE TO ME, BUT I AM MORE INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT THE SCIENTIFIC COMUNITY TREATS DISEMINATION OF KNOWLEGE LIKE A HIRARCHICAL BUSSINESS AND WONT TELL YOU THE TRUTH FOR FREE, UNLESS YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE FAITHFULL TO THEIR COMUNITY."

Thus, are the translators a part of the scientific community, or are they, as we know, a cadre of "spiritual scientists", who have learned scientific disciplines only up to the point, and for the strict purpose of, furthering their and their benefactors' vested interests?

By the way, you described the Illuminati's most basic agenda in your last statement. I'm continually amazed at how you do not draw the correlation. But I digress....

Otherwise, how in your mind does this apply to merely "scientists", but not religious organizations?

You are aware that Ivy League universities such as Oxford and Harvard were originally intended to be Christian all-boys clubs, yes?

BUT NO, THERE IS NO WAY I AM GOING TO COMPETE WITH TRAINED HANDS WHO SPENT YEARS OF EDUCATION LEARNING TO TRANSLATE THE LANGUAGE AND KNOW ALL DETAILS ABOUT THE CULTURE PROFESIONALY.

Wow, you are the #1 fall guy for the Illuminati's agenda. People spend years of independent study learning precisely the same level of info that people in educational institutions learn.

Even your Jesus was crushing the Learned Elders of his day, without having been initiated into their systems.

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So with that said, just curious: what do you believe about the "Real Jews" now?

And for the record, I've never understood the point of this exonymous renaming of "Moses to Ankhen-Aten", and other such improbabilities. If the Bible can name the city of "PI-RAMESES", and mention Pharoahs such as Sheshonq, then clearly they can name Aten, if that story was based on him. What would be the purpose of doing otherwise?
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I BELIEVE THE REAL JEWS ARE 144,OOO FROM ALL THE TRIBES OF ISREAL...POSSIBLY "A GREAT MULTITUDE THAT NO ONE COULD COUNT, FROM EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE, AND LAGUAGE". NOT "THOSE WHO CLAIM THEY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT".

LMAO, okay, whatever on that. So these are 144K of the world's most brutal murderers, rapists and child molesters.... That's awesome.

But for the record, how do you discern who is a jew and who is not? Besides those that are NOT murderers, mind you?

And who is NOT a Jew, from your POV?

ARE YOU FARMILIAR WITH THIS BOOK: ?

NOT SAYING THAT I KNOW THIS BOOK IS TRUE FOR A FACT,
BUT I BELIEVE THAT CHRIST WAS AN INITIATE OF KEMETEN WISDOM SCHOOLS, AND THE JEWS WERE PROBABLY PEOPLE WITH SOME SPECIAL ATRIBUTE TO THEIR BLOOD, AND POSSIBLY NOT RACIALY HOMOGENOUS.

Not that book per se, but others like it. Books from such schools of thought take great liberties with both the Bible and with actual history.

For instance, Moses = Ankhen-Aten is problematic, because Aten was damn-near a blathering idiot, nearly a vegeatable... He wasted the Kemetic Military, and most other Kemetic resources. It's highly unlikely that he went thru-out the Levant killing and raping women; not his M.O.

Yet again, this is why it's important to establish the W's of a written document. That's what the DOCUMENTARY HYPOTHESIS is all about. Surely you are familiar with this? It's a scientific discipline that your "scientists with trained hands" have been engaged in for the past couple of centuries.

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Untranslatable, on whose part? The part of the original author? Or the modern-day translators?

If it's the latter, my question is, how do you know? That's merely the pat answer that we've all been given. We both have agreed that these people withold info, for whatever reason.
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MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THEY WERE UNTRANSLATEABLE IS THAT THEY WERE HARDENED AND ROLLED WHEN THEY WERE DISCOVED AND OFTEN BROKEN AND THEY HAD TO BE PUT TOGEATHER LIKE PIECES OF A PUZZLE.

Out of curiosity, since you quote the Qur'an so much, are you aware of how the Qur'an came to be compiled? If so, why do you continue to place faith in that book as well?

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Quote:ITS NOT AN ISSUE OF EITHER ONE HAS KNOWLEGE OF G. AND E. OR ONE IS IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS. THE K. OF G. AND E. AWAKENS ONE SELF TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NAKED.



How is this different from what I asked?
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BECAUSE YOU SAID DO YOU HAVE KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL OR ARE YOU IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS, BUT THE STORY DEMONSTRATES THAT ONE ONLY KNOWS THEY ARE IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS IF THEY HAVE KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL,

Okay whatever. The fact remains, that I place no stock in that story to begin with.

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT EVIL IS FUNDAMENTALLY A NON ISSUE, MEANING WHEN YOU HAVE AN INSTANCE OF EVIL, NOT A TORNADO, THAT IS BLIND FORCE, BUT SAY A RAPE OR MURDUR, WHAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH CAN MORE PROPERLY BE UNDERSTOOD AS A SICKNESS, OR AN EXCESS OF ANGRY ENERGY MIXED WITH UNBRIDLED EMOTION. SOME PEOPLE WOULD RATHER ATRIBUTE THE ACTONS TO EVIL, THEREBY CREATING A FORCE THAT IS TO PERCIEVED AS HAVING POWER. HOWEVER I DO BELIEVE MAN IS FALLEN FROM A STATE OF GRACE.

And pray-tell, how do you account for "good"? You've conspicuously omitted it from your explanation here.

But for the record, what is "evil" then, in regards to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

ONLY I HAVE THE MODERN CAPACITY TO PERCIEVE IT FROM A SCIENTIFIC VIEW.

Really, do tell....

THERE IS A VERCE IN THE KORAN THAT SAYS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF "WE CITE TIME AS EVIDENCE THAT MANKIND IS AT A LOSS" ARE YOU FARMILIAR WITH THIS VERCE.

Yeah, I'm familiar with a few verses like this, but it has no bearing on me.

PERHAPS THE TIME HAS COME FOR MAN TO WAKE UP AND NOLONGER BE LIMITED BY THIS INCAPACITY TO SURVIVE TIME, BUT NONETHELESS, ONE MUST THINK THAT MANKIND, AS OPPOSED TO GODKIND, EXISTED FOR A TIME FOR A REASON.

This runs incongruent with the wisdom of the Sumerians and Kemetians and others.

Are you aware of the history behind the Qur'an? You do know that the Qur'an is basically a Bible: Redux, yes?

AND FURTHER, ONE COULD POSSIBLY SAY THAT MANKIND IS INDEED FALLEN FROM THE GLORY OF THE GODS, GENETICLY, IN THAT I READ SOMEWERE OUR DNA HAS 12 SPECIFIC LEVELS OF ACTIVATION AND MANKIND MOSTLY HAS ONLY ACHIEVED ACTIVATION OF THE FIRST 3.

In a way this is true, and in a way it's not.

Again, according to Kemetic wisdom, man is a work in progress. The same way that an adult was once a child, humanity is in a state of development.

Evolution moves forward, not backward. In a state of progression, not regression. You said yourself that we have only achieved 3 levels. That means we have 9 more to go. This does not indicate a state of falling, but rather that we are still climbing.

LET ME CLARIFY MY SELF A LITTLE BIT.

You mean a little bit more?

MY ONLY BASIS FOR BELIVEING THE BIBLE IS THAT JESUS SAID, "WHERE EVER TWO OR MORE OF YOU PRAY IN MY NAME, THERE I WILL BE" SO WHEN PEOPLE VEST FAITH THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS THE BIBLE, THEY MAKE THE BIBLE SACRED.

So, you believe in the Bible, because Jesus said so? Gosh, why am I having a STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN moment?

IT IS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE SPIRTUALIZE WATER, OR PRACTICE DAILY RITUALS.

So basically, the Bible is the proprogator of religious mass delusion, yes?

LET ME GIVE YOU A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I USED TO STRUGLE WITH CATHOLOCISM, BUT THE MOST SELFLESS THING I COULD DO WAS SUBMIT TO IT, DESPITE MY WILL TO BE FREE OF THE RESTRAINTS OF THAT PARTICULAR FAITH.

LMAO, this is like saying "the most selfless thing I can do, is to continue smoking cigarettes despite my desire to stop".

I'm sure that in your mind, this sounds a shade of profound, but ultimately this sounds silly, especially since you seem to imply that those of us who opt to move away from all things Biblical are somehow "selfish", as opposed to your being "selfless".

You treat the Bible like HIV or something... Something that, once contracted, cannot be cured.

Yours is a mindset that is a victim of CONSTANTINE's mandate. You are a conquered soul, by the hands of a conqueror.

HOWEVER, I REMEMBER ONE SPECIFIC INSTANCE WHEN I WENT TO RECIEVE COMUNION, THAT I COULD CEARLY VISIBLY SEE AND FEEL "THE SPIRT" OF GOD OR THE HOLY SPIRIT, OR JESUS, OR WHO KNOWS WHEN THE PRIEST PUT THE COMUNIION IN MY HAND.

"Or who knows" indeed. Did you experience Stygmata as well? Or perhaps the urge to kill a tree?

I DECIDED THE NEXT WEEK THAT THIS WAS APLICABLE TO EVERYTHING WITHOUT A PRIEST AND STOPPED GOING TO CHURCH, BUT THE POINT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH CATHOLCISM AS A RELIGION IS VERY IRATIONAL, THE FAITH THAT PEOPLE POSIT IN IT MAKES IT REAL. AND THE SAME THING APPLES TO THE BIBLE.

The same applies to Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and Barney, in the eyes and mind of a child.

Semantics. What I should have said, is do you have knowledge of good and evil, or do you perceive yourself as being in a state of nakedness at this point.

YOUR STILL MISSING THE POINT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS ESSENSILY,

ARE YOU CHRISTIAN, OR DO YOU BELIVE CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS.

Okay.

That's like saying "I use cigarettes to promote healthy lungs".

I suppose then, that it's sheer coincidence, that we see in most Bible-dominated societies, the very same rape, murder, theivery, ignorance, intolerance, wars, misogyny, slavery, cultural bias, etc that we plainly see in the Bible, yes?
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I GUESS ITS ALL HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

Yes that's true.... Especially when you simply refuse to look at it. I continue to mention the horrid atrocities in the Bible, while you continue to not wish to acknowledge them, opting instead to bombard me with your theories about the Tree of Knowledge.... The former is mentioned exactly ONCE in the whole Bible (twice if you count Revelations), while the rapes and murders are mentioned 100's of times.

But in your mind, the few takes precedence over the many. Why is that?

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE MOVIE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. THE LAWER'S MOTHER SEEMS TO ME TO BE A FAIR REPRESENTATION OF A TRUE CHRISTIAN BIBLE BELIEVER. ARE YOU SAYING THAT PEOPLE LIKE HER DO NOT EXIST?

Your examples continue to disservice your points.

Yes, I am familiar with the movie, and unless my memory escapes me.... Didn't the mother sleep with the Devil?

I'm sure that breaks at least a couple of Christian mandates. So yes, there are people that exist like that.

The Devil doesn't rape his victims, he convinces them to consent to sex with him..... Unless that Devil is named "MOSES", of course, LOL.

But thanx for proving my point though.

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

Jul 6, 2009 9:22:08 GMT -5 SAMURAI36 said:

Jul 6, 2009 1:22:04 GMT -5 Dr. D-Resperatation said:

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, LEARN THE LANGUAGE THE SCROLLS WERE WRITTEN IN?

LMAO, is this a trick question?

Of course you are!!! I have been learning KEMAU. Linguistics is integral to understanding ancient wisdom. You know, it's funny that with most modern-day translations of Ancient scriptures, on 1 side of the page, there's the English (or French, Spanish, etc) translation, and on the other side of the very same page is the original script.

Non-Hindu practicioners of that faith are encouraged to learn Sanskrit, Non-Tibetan Buddhists are encouraged to learn Chinese..... Hell, even the Qur'an has Arabic, that Non-Arab Muslims are encouraged to learn.

Yet, the Bible is the oddity. The Bible was allegedly written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, yet Christians, the most "faith-based" believers have no interest in learning the language(s) of their faith.... Only to "have faith" that what they are reading is the word of God.

But of course, you see no problem with this, correct?
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MY ASPERATION WAS MORE TO LEARN ARIBIC AND KNOW THE KORAN, BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS GODS PERFECT RECETATION, AND I SUSPECTED THAT THE SOUNDS ONE OMITS WHEN RECITING THE KORAN MIGHT HAVE HEALING POWERS LIKE THE 6 HEALING SOUNDS OF QI GONG. I AM NOT A BIBLE BOY TO THE EXTENT YOU ARE IMAGINING, I JUST RECOGNIZE IT AS CONTAINING WISDOM, AND POSSIBLY BEING COMPLIMENTARY TO THE TRUE LEGECY OF GOD.
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ILL REPLY TO THE REST LATER
PEACE

[SAMURAI36]

Jul 7, 2009 11:09:51 GMT -5 Dr. D-Resperatation said:

Jul 6, 2009 9:22:08 GMT -5 SAMURAI36 said:

Jul 6, 2009 1:22:04 GMT -5 Dr. D-Resperatation said:

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, LEARN THE LANGUAGE THE SCROLLS WERE WRITTEN IN?

LMAO, is this a trick question?

Of course you are!!! I have been learning KEMAU. Linguistics is integral to understanding ancient wisdom. You know, it's funny that with most modern-day translations of Ancient scriptures, on 1 side of the page, there's the English (or French, Spanish, etc) translation, and on the other side of the very same page is the original script.

Non-Hindu practicioners of that faith are encouraged to learn Sanskrit, Non-Tibetan Buddhists are encouraged to learn Chinese..... Hell, even the Qur'an has Arabic, that Non-Arab Muslims are encouraged to learn.

Yet, the Bible is the oddity. The Bible was allegedly written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, yet Christians, the most "faith-based" believers have no interest in learning the language(s) of their faith.... Only to "have faith" that what they are reading is the word of God.

But of course, you see no problem with this, correct?
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MY ASPERATION WAS MORE TO LEARN ARIBIC AND KNOW THE KORAN, BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THAT WAS GODS PERFECT RECETATION, AND I SUSPECTED THAT THE SOUNDS ONE OMITS WHEN RECITING THE KORAN MIGHT HAVE HEALING POWERS LIKE THE 6 HEALING SOUNDS OF QI GONG.

This might be valid, if the Qur'an's IQ'RA (recitation) was designed for that. I agree that it is quite melodic, and perhaps if you were approaching this from the Sufi perspective, then I perhaps could see where you are coming from. But Orthodox Islam would find your comparison to the Eastern Arts to be SHIRQ (blasphemy).

But I've come to find the notion of it being the "Perfect Recitation" to be rather absurd, especially given the gross atrocities that the Qur'an contains, which is right along the lines of the Bible.

I AM NOT A BIBLE BOY TO THE EXTENT YOU ARE IMAGINING, I JUST RECOGNIZE IT AS CONTAINING WISDOM, AND POSSIBLY BEING COMPLIMENTARY TO THE TRUE LEGECY OF GOD.

And what pray-tell, is the difference between that, and being a "Bible Boy"?

Your romanticized view of both the Bible and Qur'an is quite telling, especially since both of those texts and doctrines comprise of some of the worse stupidity in the history of humanity.

ILL REPLY TO THE REST LATER
PEACE

Hopefully, in your next reply, you'll cover whether you are familiar with the History of the Qu'ran..... That history runs incongruent to the origin of QI-QONG.

HOTEPU

[Dr. D-Resperatation]

Hopefully, in your next reply, you'll cover whether you are familiar with the History of the Qu'ran..... That history runs incongruent to the origin of QI-QONG.
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NO I DONT KNOW MORE ABOUT THE HISTROY OF HE KORAN THAN THAT THEY REARANGED IT FROM THE ORDER THEN IT WAS REVEALED TO THE PROFIT...AND THAT JEDI MIND TRICKS SAYS, "ISLAMIC SCIENTISTS PREDICTED THE COMPUTER CHIPS", AND EVERY OTHER WILD ASSERTATION THEM MADE HADE SOME BASIS IN SOME NON RELATED SCHOOL OF THOUGHT.

SO I WAS REALLY UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS THE BE ALL AND END ALL OF RELIGIOUS VERCES EVEN THOUGH THE LAWS THAT IT TEACHES ARE NOT COMPLEATLY IN COMPLIENCE WITHE MODERN SCIENCE LIKE IT STATES THAT THE SUN ROTATES AROUND THE EARTH, I BELIVE, I FOUND THIS ONCE AND QUESTIONED IT AS IT WOULD DISCREDIT THE ACCURACY OF THE WHOLE KORAN
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Wow, you are the #1 fall guy for the Illuminati's agenda. People spend years of independent study learning precisely the same level of info that people in educational institutions learn.

Even your Jesus was crushing the Learned Elders of his day, without having been initiated into their systems.
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RIGHT BUT I KNOW MY PERSONAL STREANGHTS AND WEEKNESSES... I HAVE HAD ENOUGH EXPERIENCE IN MY DAY TO KNOW THAT I CAN SHUT A MAJORITIY OF POEPLE DOWN ON PHILOSOPHICAL/ARTIST/LITERARY/RELIGOUS DEBATE, BUT I WILL NOT HAVE THE WEARWITH ALL TO HOLD MY OWN IN HISTORICAL, ARCHOLOGICAL DEBATES...BUT SOMETIMES ONE CAN GATHER ENOUGHT EVIDENCE IN THE SUBJECTS I AM GOOD AT TO CHECKMATE SOMEONE WITH FALSE EVIDENCE IN THE SUBJECTS I AM LACKING IN.

MY POINT IS, IT ONLY TAKES ONE NEW RENEGADE IDEA TO FUCK UP A WHOLE SCHEME OF THOUGHT IN HISTORY AND ARCHOLOGY...THESE ARE ABUNDENT IN THE BOOK FORBIDEN HOSTORY. I KNOW KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE IDEAS THIS BOOK PUTS FORWARD AS TO THE AGE OF THE PYRIMIDS THAT SHATERS MOST ACCEPTED TIMELINES.
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However, in the Bible, mental and spiritual growth is continuously punishable by death (would you like the verses that demonstrate this?). The God of the Bible and Qur'an doesn't want us to ascend, while the Deities of the other cultures highly encourage it.
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I THOUGHT THE KORAN ADVISED MUSLIMS TO SEEK KNOWLEGE TO ONTO ASIA, MEANING TO PERSUE ONE SELF UNTO THE ULTIMATE PLANE OF EXISTANCE...DO YOU NOT BELEIVE THAT THERE EXISTS A BEING THAT RESIDES AT AN
U-L-T-I-M-A-T-E STAND POINT THAT IS UNSURPASIBLE? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE KORAN ADVOCATED THE CAUSE OF THE MOST HIGH.
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And who is NOT a Jew, from your POV?
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I FEAR THAT THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT IS CONSTANTLY PRESENT, AND THE NON JEWS ARE THOSE WHO ARE NOT WITH IT AT THE MOMENT. NON JEWS ARE THOSE WHO DEAL IN INEQUITY.
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But for the record, how do you discern who is a jew and who is not? Besides those that are NOT murderers, mind you?

And who is NOT a Jew, from your POV?
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BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES THAT I EXPLAINED IN THE DIVINE PLAN IN DREAM VISIONS THREAD, I BELIVE THE 144000 ARE A FEW THAT HAVE THEIR CHAKRAS FULLY JUSTIFIED OR ACTIVATED. ESPECCIALLY SINCE THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS PUTS SUCH AN EMPHISIS ON THE THE SEAL OF THE FOREHEAD WICH WOULD CORESPOND TO THE THIRD EYE.
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Yet again, this is why it's important to establish the W's of a written document. That's what the DOCUMENTARY HYPOTHESIS is all about. Surely you are familiar with this? It's a scientific discipline that your "scientists with trained hands" have been engaged in for the past couple of centuries.
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TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, RECOGNIZING THE LIMITATIONS OF MY OWN CAPACITY AS A STUDENT, I SURRENDER AFETER HAVING ESTABLISED THE FACT THAT THE DIFFERENT BOOKS WERE WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT AUTHORS AT DIFFERENT TIMES INDEPENDENTLY. GOING BEYOND THIS WOULD BE LIKE A NEW COMMMER TO RAP TRYING TO SORT OUT WU TANG VERCES ACCORDING TO THEIR MEAING BASED ON THE RELEACE OF THE ALBUM...U-GOD SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE ON THE 421 THE DAY AFTER METHOD MAN C.D. "IVE BEEN EATING CALAMARI GETTING BIG IN JAIL" EVEN THOUGH HE HASNT BEEN IN JAIL FOR MANY YEARS, SO HE IS OBVIOUSLY REFERING TO A PAST PERIOD OF INCARCERATION, AND POSSIBLY FLASHING BACK TO THE CUBIN LINK ERA OR 36 CHAMBER ERA IN WU TANG HISTORY, BUT HOW WOULD ONE KNOW THIS UNLESS ONE WAS IN LOVE WITH WU TANG SHIT...IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE...THE SAME PRINCIPAL APPLIES TO THE BIBLE, I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GLEEN THE HIGHLY HIDDEN POINTS OF THE BIBLE, BUT I CAN CATCH SPECIFIC SHIT THAT IS FLY.
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And pray-tell, how do you account for "good"? You've conspicuously omitted it from your explanation here.

But for the record, what is "evil" then, in regards to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?
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GOOD QUESTION. EVIL IS THAT UNACCOUNTED FOR 'WHY' THAT QUESTIONS THE SUPERIOURITY OF THE GREAT GOODNESS OF CREATION...THAT DAMAGING ACHILIES HEAL TO GOD'S PERFECTION THAT DEALS AN ALMOST FATAL BLOW TO THE COMPLETE ANYLIZER OF YOUR ENIRE EYE. EVIL IS A WOUND TO THE ALLMIGHTY HEART.

GOOD ON THE OTHER HAND IS SELF EXPLANITERY. IT DOES NOT NEED EVIL TO JUXAPOZE IT. ONE UNDERTANDS GOOD WHEN ONE EXPRIENCES AN ACT OF BENEVOLENCE OR WITNESSES A MOTHER WITH CHILD ETC...
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I ALLREADY DID. EVIL IS A MIS FIRE OF THE CHEMICAL REACTORS... YOU CHOOSE YOUR VIOLENCE BEFORE YOU CHOOSE YOUR PATIENCE...OR YOU CHOOSE YOUR SEX BEFORE YOU CHOOSE YOUR WISDOM. THIS IS NOT SOME THING THAT SHOULD BE ATRIBUTED TO THE DEVIL, BUT JUST A MISFIRE OF YOUR REACTIONS DUE TO THE PRIORITIES YOU ASCRIBE TO YOUR MEMORIES, AND A FAILURE OF YOUR HEART'S UNDERSTANDING AND YOUR MINDS APPILICTION TO BE FULLY APPLIED. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE PHILOSOPHICAL "PROBLEM OF EVIL"?
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This runs incongruent with the wisdom of the Sumerians and Kemetians and others.

Are you aware of the history behind the Qur'an? You do know that the Qur'an is basically a Bible: Redux, yes?
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HOW DOES THE WISDOM OF THE SUMERIANS OF KEMETIANS COMPARE TO THE WISDOM OF THE KORAN... I BOUGHT SOME OF THE NETRIAN AWAKENING BOOKS ABOUT THE KEMETIANS, AND THEY SEEMED TO BE PROPOSING AN AWAKENING OF MANKIND, WICH IS SIMILAR TO AN EVELUTIONARY END OF MANKIND. I AM ALL FOR PUTTIN UP THREADS ON THIS CITE DEDICATED TO THE STUDY OF THE KEMETIANS AND THE SUMERIANS, BUT HOW IS THE QUR'AN A BIBLE REDUX?
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Evolution moves forward, not backward. In a state of progression, not regression. You said yourself that we have only achieved 3 levels. That means we have 9 more to go. This does not indicate a state of falling, but rather that we are still climbing.
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THIS IS NOT TRUE ACCORDING TO MY EXPERIENCE...UNDER THE INFULENCE OF ALL NATURAL DRUGS, I HAVE ACHIEVED STATES OF CONCIOUSNESS THAT WERE 1,000 TIMES MORE NATURAL THAN THE MODERN STATE OF MIND...SO I CONLUDE THAT I WAS DESIGNED TO LIVE IN THE STATE OF MIND THAT HAS BEEN DEMINISHED, AND THAT THE MODERN STATE OF WHAT IS MOSTLY CONSIDERED ENLIGHTENMENT IS OFTEN NOT FULLY REALIZED AS COMPARED TO THE LIFE OF OUR ANCESTORS. CHECK OUT THE POSTS I PUT UP HERE: www.exopolitics.org
IN THE DEFENDING SACRED GROUND THREAD IN THE SCIENCE SECTION OF C2DAGRAVE...YOU HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN A LIL BIT TO FIND THE PART ABOUT DEFENDING SACRED GROUND, AND IM PRETTY SURE THEY EXPOUND ABOUT EXTRATERESRIAL CONSPIRICIES TO DEMISH OUR CELEBRIAL STREANGTH.
EVEN THOUGH I CANT PROVE IT,
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So, you believe in the Bible, because Jesus said so? Gosh, why am I having a STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN moment?
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IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM BERETTA 9 SAYING, "WE THE RIGHTOUS TEACH THE SEED. THEY GROW UP DO THE SAME"

OR RZA SAYIN, "BLESESED IS HE WHO PRAISE THE MOST HIGH WITHOUT ASKING WHY", OR "WE CIVILISE THE UNCIVLIZED, CAUSE WE SUPPPOSED TO.

ALL OF THE ABOVE VERCES POSIT THE REASON FOR THE ACTION IN THE GOODNESS OF THE ACTION ITSELF, AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BIBLE THIS WOULD MEAN OBEDIENCE TO THE BOOK. IN MY CASE INCUDING THE KNOWLEGE THAT THE BOOK MUST BE VIEWED IN ITS ORIGINAL UN ADULTERATED CONTEXT AMONG SPIRITUAL JEWS, BUT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO ME BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN GIVEN KNOWLEGE...ONE WHO DOESNT KNOW WILL ONLY BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO THEIR FAITH.
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IT IS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE SPIRTUALIZE WATER, OR PRACTICE DAILY RITUALS.
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So basically, the Bible is the proprogator of religious mass delusion, yes?
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NOT AT ALL, MANTIC CHIA TEACHES DOING A SIMPLE RITUAL TO SPIRTUAL TO SPRITUALIZE WATER, AND THOUGH THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN APPLING THE IMAGINATION, I WOULDNT DOUBT HIS PRACTICES AS HE IS A MASTER, AND SMALL RITUALS ARE SAID TO HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY TO EFFECT REALITY, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM WORSHIPING A GODDESS LIKE NUT THOUGH HEALTHY EATING, PROVIDED IT IS A HEALTY RITUAL FOR A GOOD INTENTION?
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LMAO, this is like saying "the most selfless thing I can do, is to continue smoking cigarettes despite my desire to stop".

I'm sure that in your mind, this sounds a shade of profound, but ultimately this sounds silly, especially since you seem to imply that those of us who opt to move away from all things Biblical are somehow "selfish", as opposed to your being "selfless".
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PLEASE DONT JUDGE ME FROM THE STANDPOINT OF AS IF I AM NOT ONE WHO HAS OVERCOME AND THAN RETURNED TO THE ROOT. I ONLY THINK MY OBSSERVATION OF AS TO WHY I SUBMITED TO THE BIBLE IS PROFOUND FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, NOT FROM A UNIVERAL ONE, THOUGH I WOULD BET THAT A FAIR AMOUNT OF DEDICATED BELIVERS DO SUBMIT TO THE BOOK FOR THE SAME REASON.

THE FACT IS, THAT ULTIMATLY, AND THIS MAY BE PERHAPS A NUTRUENT YOU DONT NEED IN YOUR SPIRITUAL DIET, BUT ONE MY MIND WAS LAKING, THE LESSON I NEEDED TO ACKNOWLEGE WAS THAT MY IDEA OF WHAT THE SPIRTUAL PATH SHOULD BE WAS NOT THE TRUTH OF WHAT IT NEEDED TO BE, AND CATHOLOSISM SERVED AS A MEDIUM FOR MY HIGHER SELF TO BRING MY LOWER SELF INTO A STATE OF SUBSERVIENCE, BEFORE KNOWLEGE AND WISDOM COULD BE APPLIED. LOOKING BACK I CAN ONLY REGARD SPECIFIC DECISIONS TO EMBRACE THE BIBLE IN FAVOR OF SHAMANIC BOOKS AND EXOTIC RELIGIONS AS ACTS OF PRUDENCE AS I WAS SHOWING DEDICATION TO A POWER THAT I RECOGNIZED WAS BEYOND MY FANCIFULL IMAGINATION OF ME TRYING TO BE SOMETHING TOO POWERFULL FOR ME TO MANAGE AT THE TIME.
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You treat the Bible like HIV or something... Something that, once contracted, cannot be cured.

Yours is a mindset that is a victim of CONSTANTINE's mandate. You are a conquered soul, by the hands of a conqueror.
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ON THE CONTRARY, I AM DEFEINDING THE BIBLE, NOT SUCUMING TO A MANDATE.
I REALLY FIND THE ROMAN PRACTICE OF, "KILLING CHIRST, AND THEN CLAIMING HE DIED FOR THEIR RELIGION" TO BE REDICULOUS, FROM A SONS OF MAN STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM MY PERS0NAL RESEARCH STANDPOINT FIND THE ROMAN APPROPRIAION OF CHRISTIANITY TO BE INTERESTING ON A DEEPER LEVEL IN THAT PONCHUS PILOT WAS DIVINLY INSRUCTED IN REGARDS TO HOW TO TREAT CHRIST'S CRUCIFICTION, IN THE FORM OF HIS WIFE'S DREAM. SO PERHAPS ROMAN INVOLVEMENT IS SOMEHOW MORE PURE THAN YOU ARE ASSUMING. PERHAPS THE EMERALD TABLITS OF HERMISE OF THE ROMAN TRADITION I BELIVE COINSIDE WITH KEMETIN TRANSMITION OF WISDOM. FOR ALL I KNOW THIS MAY BE A TRUE INHERETANCE OF MAN FROM THE GODS.
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"Or who knows" indeed. Did you experience Stygmata as well? Or perhaps the urge to kill a tree?
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NO. I KNOW I SAW SPIRIT IN THE PRIEST'S HAND, AND FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MODERN CULTURE, WITNESSING SPIRIT (IN THE FORM OF CHRIST'S BODY BEING SYMBOLICLY OR LITERALY TRANSMITED IN BREAD) WAS PROOF OF EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SEEKING BEFORE I WAS MATURE ENOUGH TO TRUST IN SPIRTUAL SCIENCES LIKE QIGONG OR MARTIAL ARTS. SO I KNOW WHAT I SAW WAS SPECIAL...AND THE FEELING WAS CONFIRMED IN A FACT I FORGOT TO PORTRAY CORECTLY IN THE STORY IN THAT THE NEXT TIME I WENT TO COMMUNIOUN, I DOUBTED AND IT DIDNT HAPPEN, AND THE PRIEST LOOKED AT ME KNOWINGLY AS IF HE UNDERSTOOD MY FAILURE, AND HE REMEMBERED WHAT I HAD FELT THE LAST TIME.

THE POINT IS, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE 1,000 INCONSISTANCIES IN CHRISTIANITY, THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS NOT UNWILLING TO FLOW THOUGH CHRISTIANITY AS A MEDIUM. SO WHAT IS THE HARM IN EMBRACING THE BIBLE AS A RELIGION, SO LONG AS ONE USES DISCERNMENT AS TO WHAT ONE JUSTIFIES WITH THE BIBLE. IF I WERE TO USE THIS WEB SITE AS MY PROTOCAL, I WOULD BE SAFE IN ACTING AS AN ASSASSIN SO LONG AS I OPPRATED ACCORDING TO THE CODE OF THE SAMURAI IN THE NAME OF THE 7. WOULD THAT JUSTIFY MURDUR? NO.
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The same applies to Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and Barney, in the eyes and mind of a child.
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PERHAPS THE SAME THING APPLIES TO A GROWN MAN WORSHIPING GODS AND GODESSES THAT TAKE THE FORM OF ANIMALS. THIS OF COURCE IS AN EXAGERATION, BUT HOW CAN YOU COMPARE JESUS TO BARNEY. MABY THE ETHIC INVOKED IN TEACHING CHILDREN ABOUT SANTA CLUAS IS THE VALUE IN BELIVEING AGAINST THE ODDS AND THE EVIDENCE. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN A JAM AND JUST BARLEY BEYOND THE CAPACITY OF LUCK MADE IT OUT OF IT, AS IF SOME FORCE WAS HELPING YOU. A MORE SPIRITUALY SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION WOULD BE, THAT THAT IS YOUR OWN THOUGHT POWER, BUT IMPESSING THIS SPIITUAL WILL POWER UPON CHILDREN IS NOT NECECERILY WRONG. BARNEY ON THE OTHER HAND IS COMPLEATLY WICKED.
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Yes that's true.... Especially when you simply refuse to look at it. I continue to mention the horrid atrocities in the Bible, while you continue to not wish to acknowledge them, opting instead to bombard me with your theories about the Tree of Knowledge.... The former is mentioned exactly ONCE in the whole Bible (twice if you count Revelations), while the rapes and murders are mentioned 100's of times.

But in your mind, the few takes precedence over the many. Why is that?
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ONCE AND FOR ALL, I ACKNOWLEGE THAT THE ATROCITIES AND RAPES ARE IN THE BIBLE IN THE SAME WAY I ACKNOWLEGE THAT THE PREMEMENENT THEME IN WU TANG MUSIC IS MURDUR, AND MASTA KILLAH ADVERTIZES A RAPE IN THE ELEVATOR ON THE N.S.D. CD. AND O.D.B. CAN HARDLY BE INTRPERTED AS DOING ANYTHING BUT RAPING A WOMAN ON THE BLACK WIDOW 2. ON DIGITAL BULLIT...I KNOW YOU SAID YOU EXCLUDED GUNS AND ROSES FROM YOUR DIET WHEN YOU CONCLUDED THEY WERE RACIST, AND THIS WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THER REST OF YOUR LIFE...SO WHY DO YOU REJECT THE BIBLE AND NOT MASTA KILLAH, O.D.B. AND RZA FOR HAVING THAT SHIT ON THEIR C.D.'S?
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Didn't the mother sleep with the Devil?
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YES, BUT DOES SHE NOT ALSO REPROACH HER SON'S CONTEXTUALY IMMORAL GREED AND AMBITION ACCORDING TO BIBLE VERCES?

I THINK YOU ARE FAILING TO RECOGNIZE THE POTENITAL FOR TRUE SPIRITULALITY EVEN IN THE FAT PREACHER FROM ALABAMA, AND WHILE I FULLY RELATE TO YOUR FEELING OF SUPERIORITY TO BLIND WORSHIP OF DOCTRINE, I FEEL I YOU ARE TURNING OFF YOUR WISDOM CAPACITY IN JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE'S ATTEMPTS TO FIND GOD...AS EVEN THIS BASIC TENDENCY IS OFTEN NEGATED BY THE FALSE ASSUMPTION THAT SCIENCE HAS ERADICATED THE SUPERNATURAL FROM REASONABLE CONSIDERATION. PEOPLE'S ATTACHEMETN TO THE BIBLE IS JUSTIFIABLE SIMPLY BY THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING IRATIONAL IN LOOKING BEYOND MODERN SCIENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOT THAT THIS IRATIONALITY IS NOT ACOMADATED WITH THE PRESENCE OF "EMOTIONAL SENSITIVITY, AND SPIRITUAL KNOWING", A DUO I ONCE HEARD OF AS DEPEICTED IN KEMEATEN SCULPTURES WITH A VULTURE AND SNAKE BOTH COMMING FROM THE BRAIN.


PEACE.

[WARPATH]

This thread is too much reading. I'm just gonna jump in by answering the first post.

*What are your general views on the Bible?

Respectfully, to me it's just a book.

*Have you read the Bible in its entirety? If not, how much have you read?

I've read quite a bit actually, but not the whole thing.

*Is the Bible important to your own personal spiritual/cultural growth and development?

I found it just stunted my spiritual and cultural growth.

peace

[SAMURAI36]

Jul 7, 2009 22:47:34 GMT -5 Dr. D-Resperatation said:

And who is NOT a Jew, from your POV?
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I FEAR THAT THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT IS CONSTANTLY PRESENT, AND THE NON JEWS ARE THOSE WHO ARE NOT WITH IT AT THE MOMENT. NON JEWS ARE THOSE WHO DEAL IN INEQUITY.

I continue to be amazed at how you persist with your jaundiced view of all things Biblical.

Your "Jews" were the most quilty of INIQUITY, moreso than any other group of people on this earth.

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But for the record, how do you discern who is a jew and who is not? Besides those that are NOT murderers, mind you?

And who is NOT a Jew, from your POV?
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BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES THAT I EXPLAINED IN THE DIVINE PLAN IN DREAM VISIONS THREAD, I BELIVE THE 144000 ARE A FEW THAT HAVE THEIR CHAKRAS FULLY JUSTIFIED OR ACTIVATED.

And these Jews, according to their/your Bible, had their "Chakras fully activated"?

Can a person ruthlessly murder innocent children, and rape innocent women, have their Chakras "fully activated"?

ESPECCIALLY SINCE THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS PUTS SUCH AN EMPHISIS ON THE THE SEAL OF THE FOREHEAD WICH WOULD CORESPOND TO THE THIRD EYE.

This continues to be the problem for me.... All this talk of "Chakras" and "Third Eyes".... Why dont' you just adhere to the systems that actually practice these concepts, since they seem to mean so much to you, instead of trying to stretch a theology that would have abhored such a concept?

Yet again, this is why it's important to establish the W's of a written document. That's what the DOCUMENTARY HYPOTHESIS is all about. Surely you are familiar with this? It's a scientific discipline that your "scientists with trained hands" have been engaged in for the past couple of centuries.
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TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, RECOGNIZING THE LIMITATIONS OF MY OWN CAPACITY AS A STUDENT, I SURRENDER AFETER HAVING ESTABLISED THE FACT THAT THE DIFFERENT BOOKS WERE WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT AUTHORS AT DIFFERENT TIMES INDEPENDENTLY. GOING BEYOND THIS WOULD BE LIKE A NEW COMMMER TO RAP TRYING TO SORT OUT WU TANG VERCES ACCORDING TO THEIR MEAING BASED ON THE RELEACE OF THE ALBUM...U-GOD SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE ON THE 421 THE DAY AFTER METHOD MAN C.D. "IVE BEEN EATING CALAMARI GETTING BIG IN JAIL" EVEN THOUGH HE HASNT BEEN IN JAIL FOR MANY YEARS, SO HE IS OBVIOUSLY REFERING TO A PAST PERIOD OF INCARCERATION, AND POSSIBLY FLASHING BACK TO THE CUBIN LINK ERA OR 36 CHAMBER ERA IN WU TANG HISTORY, BUT HOW WOULD ONE KNOW THIS UNLESS ONE WAS IN LOVE WITH WU TANG SHIT...IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE...THE SAME PRINCIPAL APPLIES TO THE BIBLE, I AM NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GLEEN THE HIGHLY HIDDEN POINTS OF THE BIBLE, BUT I CAN CATCH SPECIFIC SHIT THAT IS FLY.

#1) This does not serve as an answer to my question above. But then, you have been spending alot of time here, NOT answering my most pertinent questions.

#2) I'm amazed, at how you continue to find all this "Highly Hidden" stuff in the Bible, yet didn't (and still don't) know anything about the stuff that's not so hidden, like how many legs a bug has, and how a Levite priest can brutally murder his concubine.

How do you continue to manage that? You do realize, that a person on the outside looking in, would say that you are biased and in denial, yes?

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And pray-tell, how do you account for "good"? You've conspicuously omitted it from your explanation here.

But for the record, what is "evil" then, in regards to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?
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GOOD QUESTION. EVIL IS THAT UNACCOUNTED FOR 'WHY' THAT QUESTIONS THE SUPERIOURITY OF THE GREAT GOODNESS OF CREATION...THAT DAMAGING ACHILIES HEAL TO GOD'S PERFECTION THAT DEALS AN ALMOST FATAL BLOW TO THE COMPLETE ANYLIZER OF YOUR ENIRE EYE. EVIL IS A WOUND TO THE ALLMIGHTY HEART.

What the fuck?

GOOD ON THE OTHER HAND IS SELF EXPLANITERY. IT DOES NOT NEED EVIL TO JUXAPOZE IT. ONE UNDERTANDS GOOD WHEN ONE EXPRIENCES AN ACT OF BENEVOLENCE OR WITNESSES A MOTHER WITH CHILD ETC...

I disagree with all of this, but then again, I'm not fettered by the non-sequitor that is your Bible.

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ONLY I HAVE THE MODERN CAPACITY TO PERCIEVE IT FROM A SCIENTIFIC VIEW.
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Really, do tell....
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I ALLREADY DID. EVIL IS A MIS FIRE OF THE CHEMICAL REACTORS... YOU CHOOSE YOUR VIOLENCE BEFORE YOU CHOOSE YOUR PATIENCE...OR YOU CHOOSE YOUR SEX BEFORE YOU CHOOSE YOUR WISDOM.

Oh, okay.... So you're clearly saying here, that your beloved Jews in the Bible were totally evil then, yes?

THIS IS NOT SOME THING THAT SHOULD BE ATRIBUTED TO THE DEVIL, BUT JUST A MISFIRE OF YOUR REACTIONS DUE TO THE PRIORITIES YOU ASCRIBE TO YOUR MEMORIES, AND A FAILURE OF YOUR HEART'S UNDERSTANDING AND YOUR MINDS APPILICTION TO BE FULLY APPLIED. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE PHILOSOPHICAL "PROBLEM OF EVIL"?

Irrelevant. But thanx for pointing out for me, how evil your Jews were.
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This runs incongruent with the wisdom of the Sumerians and Kemetians and others.

Are you aware of the history behind the Qur'an? You do know that the Qur'an is basically a Bible: Redux, yes?
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HOW DOES THE WISDOM OF THE SUMERIANS OF KEMETIANS COMPARE TO THE WISDOM OF THE KORAN...

I would implore you to get your head out of the Bible for one hot second, and study it for yourself.

I BOUGHT SOME OF THE NETRIAN AWAKENING BOOKS ABOUT THE KEMETIANS, AND THEY SEEMED TO BE PROPOSING AN AWAKENING OF MANKIND, WICH IS SIMILAR TO AN EVELUTIONARY END OF MANKIND.

No, it's not. It's not even remotely similar. This clearly shows that you had no understanding of what you read. Apparently, your ability to glean "Wisdom" ends at only the Abrahamic doctrines.

The Awakening of Humanity, according to Kemetic thought, is merely the evolutionary beginning of humanity, not the end.

I AM ALL FOR PUTTIN UP THREADS ON THIS CITE DEDICATED TO THE STUDY OF THE KEMETIANS AND THE SUMERIANS, BUT HOW IS THE QUR'AN A BIBLE REDUX?

I'll ask you again, are you aware of the historical context of how the Qur'an came about? You avoided this Q from me when I last asked it, even though you quoted it above.

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Evolution moves forward, not backward. In a state of progression, not regression. You said yourself that we have only achieved 3 levels. That means we have 9 more to go. This does not indicate a state of falling, but rather that we are still climbing.
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THIS IS NOT TRUE ACCORDING TO MY EXPERIENCE...UNDER THE INFULENCE OF ALL NATURAL DRUGS, I HAVE ACHIEVED STATES OF CONCIOUSNESS THAT WERE 1,000 TIMES MORE NATURAL THAN THE MODERN STATE OF MIND...SO I CONLUDE THAT I WAS DESIGNED TO LIVE IN THE STATE OF MIND THAT HAS BEEN DEMINISHED, AND THAT THE MODERN STATE OF WHAT IS MOSTLY CONSIDERED ENLIGHTENMENT IS OFTEN NOT FULLY REALIZED AS COMPARED TO THE LIFE OF OUR ANCESTORS.

Surely, you are not using your narcotic hallucinations ("natural drugs", LMAO) as an example of anything........??

CHECK OUT THE POSTS I PUT UP HERE: www.exopolitics.org
IN THE DEFENDING SACRED GROUND THREAD IN THE SCIENCE SECTION OF C2DAGRAVE...YOU HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN A LIL BIT TO FIND THE PART ABOUT DEFENDING SACRED GROUND, AND IM PRETTY SURE THEY EXPOUND ABOUT EXTRATERESRIAL CONSPIRICIES TO DEMISH OUR CELEBRIAL STREANGTH.
EVEN THOUGH I CANT PROVE IT,
I DONT DOUBT IT

What did any of this have to do with my statement above?

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So, you believe in the Bible, because Jesus said so? Gosh, why am I having a STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN moment?
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IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM BERETTA 9 SAYING, "WE THE RIGHTOUS TEACH THE SEED. THEY GROW UP DO THE SAME"

OR RZA SAYIN, "BLESESED IS HE WHO PRAISE THE MOST HIGH WITHOUT ASKING WHY", OR "WE CIVILISE THE UNCIVLIZED, CAUSE WE SUPPPOSED TO.

Regarding Beratta 9's statement, that's like saying we should continue to eat swine and other forms of poison garbage, simply because someone taught us to do so, and that's how we grew up.

Regarding RZA's verse, are you aware of what "Y" means in the 5% Supreme Alphabets? If so, then that entire statement from him actually takes on a different meaning from the one you are implying here..... It's actually a play on words.

ALL OF THE ABOVE VERCES POSIT THE REASON FOR THE ACTION IN THE GOODNESS OF THE ACTION ITSELF, AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THE BIBLE THIS WOULD MEAN OBEDIENCE TO THE BOOK.

It's truly sad, how people lose all linear reasoning capability, whenever it comes to the Doctrine of Abraham. Watching people such as yourself go into denial and justification mode when it comes to this, truly places a weight on my heart.

IN MY CASE INCUDING THE KNOWLEGE THAT THE BOOK MUST BE VIEWED IN ITS ORIGINAL UN ADULTERATED CONTEXT AMONG SPIRITUAL JEWS, BUT THIS ONLY APPLIES TO ME BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN GIVEN KNOWLEGE...ONE WHO DOESNT KNOW WILL ONLY BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO THEIR FAITH.

Where is this books "original, unadulterated context"? Who on earth are "Spiritual Jews"? That's an oxy-moron, by the way.
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IT IS LIKE WHEN PEOPLE SPIRTUALIZE WATER, OR PRACTICE DAILY RITUALS.
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So basically, the Bible is the proprogator of religious mass delusion, yes?
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NOT AT ALL, MANTIC CHIA TEACHES DOING A SIMPLE RITUAL TO SPIRTUAL TO SPRITUALIZE WATER, AND THOUGH THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN APPLING THE IMAGINATION, I WOULDNT DOUBT HIS PRACTICES AS HE IS A MASTER, AND SMALL RITUALS ARE SAID TO HAVE LIMITED CAPACITY TO EFFECT REALITY, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM WORSHIPING A GODDESS LIKE NUT THOUGH HEALTHY EATING, PROVIDED IT IS A HEALTY RITUAL FOR A GOOD INTENTION?

#1) It's interesting how you try to compare these other theologies to the Bible, yet in your life decisions, have opted to make the Bible superlative to them, when in reality, it's vice-versa.

#2) Unless you are saying that raping women and killing children is "A HEALTY RITUAL FOR A GOOD INTENTION", then the Bible (and Qur'an, for that matter) is the LAST book(s) we should be attempting to live by.

In fact, that's the whole issue; people have been living by them by default, and that's why the world is in the predicament it's in.
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LMAO, this is like saying "the most selfless thing I can do, is to continue smoking cigarettes despite my desire to stop".

I'm sure that in your mind, this sounds a shade of profound, but ultimately this sounds silly, especially since you seem to imply that those of us who opt to move away from all things Biblical are somehow "selfish", as opposed to your being "selfless".
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PLEASE DONT JUDGE ME FROM THE STANDPOINT OF AS IF I AM NOT ONE WHO HAS OVERCOME AND THAN RETURNED TO THE ROOT.

I have no idea what this means; it sounds like you are purposefully being obtuse.

I ONLY THINK MY OBSSERVATION OF AS TO WHY I SUBMITED TO THE BIBLE IS PROFOUND FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT, NOT FROM A UNIVERAL ONE, THOUGH I WOULD BET THAT A FAIR AMOUNT OF DEDICATED BELIVERS DO SUBMIT TO THE BOOK FOR THE SAME REASON.

And to them, I would equally say the very same things to them, that I am saying to you. They, like you, spend far too much time romanticizing the book and your belief in it, which is all the more sad, considering that neither they nor you have demonstrated that they/you have even read it thoroughly...... All the while, ignoring the more uncomfortable aspects of it, in favor of what you/they believe are the more "holy" parts.

One would say that this is a pathos that the book intrinsically teaches.

Why should anyone take you or them seriously, or the book itself for that matter, under such a premise?

THE FACT IS, THAT ULTIMATLY, AND THIS MAY BE PERHAPS A NUTRUENT YOU DONT NEED IN YOUR SPIRITUAL DIET, BUT ONE MY MIND WAS LAKING, THE LESSON I NEEDED TO ACKNOWLEGE WAS THAT MY IDEA OF WHAT THE SPIRTUAL PATH SHOULD BE WAS NOT THE TRUTH OF WHAT IT NEEDED TO BE, AND CATHOLOSISM SERVED AS A MEDIUM FOR MY HIGHER SELF TO BRING MY LOWER SELF INTO A STATE OF SUBSERVIENCE, BEFORE KNOWLEGE AND WISDOM COULD BE APPLIED.

You are absolutely correct!!! I have absolutely no use for this, especially since I have no idea what you even meant.

LOOKING BACK I CAN ONLY REGARD SPECIFIC DECISIONS TO EMBRACE THE BIBLE IN FAVOR OF SHAMANIC BOOKS AND EXOTIC RELIGIONS AS ACTS OF PRUDENCE AS I WAS SHOWING DEDICATION TO A POWER THAT I RECOGNIZED WAS BEYOND MY FANCIFULL IMAGINATION OF ME TRYING TO BE SOMETHING TOO POWERFULL FOR ME TO MANAGE AT THE TIME.

So, let's get this straight: systems and doctrines that contain 100% proof of the "high wisdom" that you constantly try to shoe-horn into the Bible, were "beyond you", yet you deem yourself content to needlessly work your "fanciful imagination" to bring the Bible up to the standards of those other systems...... Is that correct?

Clearly you place at least some value on the other systems, lest you would not continuously compare the Bible to them: "Third Eyes" and what-not.

Your investment in the Bible is clearly strictly emotional and/or sentimental.... It sounds as though the problem for you, is the fact that you have no such vested interest in these other systems, as you do the Bible.... Perhaps because by premise of those systems, there is no means or even need to have such a vested interest; they simply either are the truth, or they are not.

With the Bible it's none so simple. Clearly you are intelligent enough to fathom the problem of the Bible saying that insects have 4 legs, but you are far more comfortable not even talking about it. That's a purely emotional motivation on your part. Thus, your "pursuit of knowledge" is hindered, self-defeating, and even neglegible.
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You treat the Bible like HIV or something... Something that, once contracted, cannot be cured.

Yours is a mindset that is a victim of CONSTANTINE's mandate. You are a conquered soul, by the hands of a conqueror.
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ON THE CONTRARY, I AM DEFEINDING THE BIBLE, NOT SUCUMING TO A MANDATE.

One and the same.

I REALLY FIND THE ROMAN PRACTICE OF, "KILLING CHIRST, AND THEN CLAIMING HE DIED FOR THEIR RELIGION" TO BE REDICULOUS, FROM A SONS OF MAN STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM MY PERS0NAL RESEARCH STANDPOINT FIND THE ROMAN APPROPRIAION OF CHRISTIANITY TO BE INTERESTING ON A DEEPER LEVEL IN THAT PONCHUS PILOT WAS DIVINLY INSRUCTED IN REGARDS TO HOW TO TREAT CHRIST'S CRUCIFICTION, IN THE FORM OF HIS WIFE'S DREAM.

I'm always thoroughly amused, when Bible believers continue to talk about the Bible in some historical context. LOL

By the way, Puntius Pilate was Greek, not Roman.

SO PERHAPS ROMAN INVOLVEMENT IS SOMEHOW MORE PURE THAN YOU ARE ASSUMING.

Yep, and perhaps the same can be said of how the Jews killed and raped all those women too.

PERHAPS THE EMERALD TABLITS OF HERMISE OF THE ROMAN TRADITION I BELIVE COINSIDE WITH KEMETIN TRANSMITION OF WISDOM. FOR ALL I KNOW THIS MAY BE A TRUE INHERETANCE OF MAN FROM THE GODS.

You're referring to a Stolen Legacy by the Greeks (not Romans) from the Kemetians; once again, you site a Kemetic deity (this time Tehuti), yet refuse to yield to their wisdom. Kemetic wisdom supercedes Bible "Wisdom".

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"Or who knows" indeed. Did you experience Stygmata as well? Or perhaps the urge to kill a tree?
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NO. I KNOW I SAW SPIRIT IN THE PRIEST'S HAND, AND FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MODERN CULTURE, WITNESSING SPIRIT (IN THE FORM OF CHRIST'S BODY BEING SYMBOLICLY OR LITERALY TRANSMITED IN BREAD) WAS PROOF OF EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SEEKING BEFORE I WAS MATURE ENOUGH TO TRUST IN SPIRTUAL SCIENCES LIKE QIGONG OR MARTIAL ARTS. SO I KNOW WHAT I SAW WAS SPECIAL...AND THE FEELING WAS CONFIRMED IN A FACT I FORGOT TO PORTRAY CORECTLY IN THE STORY IN THAT THE NEXT TIME I WENT TO COMMUNIOUN, I DOUBTED AND IT DIDNT HAPPEN, AND THE PRIEST LOOKED AT ME KNOWINGLY AS IF HE UNDERSTOOD MY FAILURE, AND HE REMEMBERED WHAT I HAD FELT THE LAST TIME.

None of this is relevant for me. Paul had claimed to have had seen similar visions, and yet we who have actually read the Bible, know him to be one of the biggest misrepresenters of the truth.

THE POINT IS, EVEN THOUGH THERE MAY BE 1,000 INCONSISTANCIES IN CHRISTIANITY, THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS NOT UNWILLING TO FLOW THOUGH CHRISTIANITY AS A MEDIUM.

Another justification. Just for the record, you are not doing well, with defending your book. You would do it far more justice by actually reading it.

But for the record, regardless of where "The Spirit of God" flows from, it's entirely Man's choice and privilege in how he receives it.

Just because someone throws a ball at you, and you swing at it, and hit it only 2 times out of 20, does not make you a baseball player..... Likewise, just because you can find a few "jewels of wisdom" in the Bible, doesn't make it a system worthy of being utilized for spiritual cultivation.

SO WHAT IS THE HARM IN EMBRACING THE BIBLE AS A RELIGION, SO LONG AS ONE USES DISCERNMENT AS TO WHAT ONE JUSTIFIES WITH THE BIBLE.

More excuses... This is like saying "what's wrong with eating pork, as long as I have a good excuse for eating it?"

Notice, that you have yet to actually have a good, linear reason for believing in the Bible. Here is an example:

If someone were to ask me, "Shah, why do you choose to adhere to Kemetic spirituality?", this would be my answer:

I have chosen to partake of the Pa'ut Neter, because I have seen living examples, both ancient and modern, of the benefits of practicing this lifestyle. I have actually experienced the physical, mental, and spiritual benefits first-hand myself. The doctrine actually consists of tried and true methods of personal and collective enlightenment, and, most importantly, it DOES NOT CONTAIN demonstrative examples of moral contradiction, untruths and falsehoods. This belief was not, and never was forced upon the psyches of anyone, but rather it celebrates the personal choice of freedom of the individual to become initiated under his/her own free will. It is free from the Karmic deficit, both historically and contextually, that a system itself, as well as the believers in it, have superimposed upon others.

IF I WERE TO USE THIS WEB SITE AS MY PROTOCAL, I WOULD BE SAFE IN ACTING AS AN ASSASSIN SO LONG AS I OPPRATED ACCORDING TO THE CODE OF THE SAMURAI IN THE NAME OF THE 7. WOULD THAT JUSTIFY MURDUR? NO.

Good thing there is no more "SAMURAI 7 ASSASSIN", whose protocol you would be in contemplation over. And it is for that very same reason that such a person no longer exists.

You're not doing well with your points here, my friend.

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The same applies to Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and Barney, in the eyes and mind of a child.
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PERHAPS THE SAME THING APPLIES TO A GROWN MAN WORSHIPING GODS AND GODESSES THAT TAKE THE FORM OF ANIMALS.

I would agree, if that were the case. Good thing it's not, yes? But even if it were, at least those Gods and Goddesses are not murdering little children.

However, what a most precarious position one must find themselves in, speaking of "Animal Gods", when there is an unresolved thread, regarding a certain "God" that was originally a volcano.

TH

IS OF COURCE IS AN EXAGERATION, BUT HOW CAN YOU
COMPARE JESUS TO BARNEY.

Both are imaginary fictional characters, designed to make little children feel good, before he perhaps performs pedophilic acts upon them.

MABY THE ETHIC INVOKED IN TEACHING CHILDREN ABOUT SANTA CLUAS IS THE VALUE IN BELIVEING AGAINST THE ODDS AND THE EVIDENCE.

LMAO, anything besides teaching the truth, huh?

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN A JAM AND JUST BARLEY BEYOND THE CAPACITY OF LUCK MADE IT OUT OF IT, AS IF SOME FORCE WAS HELPING YOU.

Yes, but my spiritual understanding dictates that nothing is "luck" or coincidence. Just because I was not able to fathom all the constituents of the scenario, does not alleviate intelligent design behind it.

A MORE SPIRITUALY SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION WOULD BE, THAT THAT IS YOUR OWN THOUGHT POWER, BUT IMPESSING THIS SPIITUAL WILL POWER UPON CHILDREN IS NOT NECECERILY WRONG. BARNEY ON THE OTHER HAND IS COMPLEATLY WICKED.

I like how you continue to justify the lies. Telling children that they will go to "hell" for not believing in Jesus is the pinnacle of evil.

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Yes that's true.... Especially when you simply refuse to look at it. I continue to mention the horrid atrocities in the Bible, while you continue to not wish to acknowledge them, opting instead to bombard me with your theories about the Tree of Knowledge.... The former is mentioned exactly ONCE in the whole Bible (twice if you count Revelations), while the rapes and murders are mentioned 100's of times.

But in your mind, the few takes precedence over the many. Why is that?

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ONCE AND FOR ALL, I ACKNOWLEGE THAT THE ATROCITIES AND RAPES ARE IN THE BIBLE IN THE SAME WAY I ACKNOWLEGE THAT THE PREMEMENENT THEME IN WU TANG MUSIC IS MURDUR, AND MASTA KILLAH ADVERTIZES A RAPE IN THE ELEVATOR ON THE N.S.D. CD. AND O.D.B. CAN HARDLY BE INTRPERTED AS DOING ANYTHING BUT RAPING A WOMAN ON THE BLACK WIDOW 2. ON DIGITAL BULLIT...I KNOW YOU SAID YOU EXCLUDED GUNS AND ROSES FROM YOUR DIET WHEN YOU CONCLUDED THEY WERE RACIST, AND THIS WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THER REST OF YOUR LIFE...SO WHY DO YOU REJECT THE BIBLE AND NOT MASTA KILLAH, O.D.B. AND RZA FOR HAVING THAT SHIT ON THEIR C.D.'S?

#1) For clarification, which Masta Killa song are you referring to? Does he merely tell a tale of rape, or does he narrate it in the first person?

#2)I have no justification for ODB's verse. This is a good point, and for the record, I'd like to point out that this song is my least favorite on that album, and from ODB in general..... And not just because of the subject matter either.

#3) You are misconstruing the concept of "murder" in Wu-Tang lyrics. The concept of killing in WU music has always been metaphorical, even spiritual. Murdering the Devil, murdering wackness, etc.

Inspectah Deck said:

You witness the saga, casualties and drama
Life is a script, I'm not a actor but the author
of a modern day opera, where the main character
is presidential paper, the dominant, factor

Meaning, that telling a sad tale of murder is in no ways the same as glorifying it.

RZA said:

The fourth dimension is time, it goes inside the mind
Run the channels energized up through the back of your spine
So observe as my G energy strikes a vital nerve
One swerve of the tongue it pierces like a sword through the lung
Have you not heard, that words kill as fast as bullets
when you load negative thoughts, to the chamber of your brain
And your mouth pulls the trigger that propels
wickedness straight from Hell
From the pits of your stomach where negativity dwell

Thus, it's the concept of the potency of an idea, potent enough to give and take life. Totally different from how you've implied it here.

#4)This is a bad comparison, because the scales do not properly balance out here. For example, you site a Masta Killah verse or song with rape in it. Meanwhile, he had 2 songs where he dedicated his love and respect for the Black woman, according to his beliefs.

Even if murder in the traditional sense is prevelant in WU music, they have far more songs where they condemn violence, like IMPOSSIBLE, A BETTER TOMORROW, CAREFUL (CLICK,CLICK), etc.

In the meantime, the same cannot be said for your Bible. There are hundreds of examples of rape and/or misogyny. In fact, the one true time where we see a man treating a woman with unconditional love and respect in the Bible, is in the Song of Solomon, and even then, it's suspected that this was not without an agenda.

#5) Granted, there is much to be learned from Hip-Hop as a whole, but hopefully you don't use WU music as a means of spiritual cultivation, in the same manner that you do with your Bible.

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Didn't the mother sleep with the Devil?
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YES, BUT DOES SHE NOT ALSO REPROACH HER SON'S CONTEXTUALY IMMORAL GREED AND AMBITION ACCORDING TO BIBLE VERCES?

Yes, it's called being a hyprocrite. Do as I say, and not as I do. Notice, how she waited all those years, to even tell him who his father was.

I THINK YOU ARE FAILING TO RECOGNIZE THE POTENITAL FOR TRUE SPIRITULALITY EVEN IN THE FAT PREACHER FROM ALABAMA,

I am not without the understanding that there is something to be learned from everyone and everything. However, that is not remotely the same as dedicating one's life to the most nefarious of sources.

AND WHILE I FULLY RELATE TO YOUR FEELING OF SUPERIORITY TO BLIND WORSHIP OF DOCTRINE,

Do you really? Because in this entire thread, you've been avoiding that aspect of the discussion. Mentioning it as the elephant in the room is not a true acknowledgement of anything. You go off on tirades about how the 7th Seal is the 3rd eye, but I've yet to see a single paragraph from you, about how evil the Jews were for raping and killing women, and how ignorant they were for thinking that a bat is a bird.

I FEEL I YOU ARE TURNING OFF YOUR WISDOM CAPACITY IN JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE'S ATTEMPTS TO FIND GOD...

I don't equate justification for hypocrisy to an attempt to find God... The former is counterintuitive to the latter, and it's my wisdom capacity that enables me to discern this fact.

AS EVEN THIS BASIC TENDENCY IS OFTEN NEGATED BY THE FALSE ASSUMPTION THAT SCIENCE HAS ERADICATED THE SUPERNATURAL FROM REASONABLE CONSIDERATION.

This has..... What, to do with anything?

PEOPLE'S ATTACHEMETN TO THE BIBLE IS JUSTIFIABLE SIMPLY BY THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING IRATIONAL IN LOOKING BEYOND MODERN SCIENCE IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOT THAT THIS IRATIONALITY IS NOT ACOMADATED WITH THE PRESENCE OF "EMOTIONAL SENSITIVITY, AND SPIRITUAL KNOWING", A DUO I ONCE HEARD OF AS DEPEICTED IN KEMEATEN SCULPTURES WITH A VULTURE AND SNAKE BOTH COMMING FROM THE BRAIN.

All this irrationality is making my head hurt. For the record, no one here is implying that modern science is infallible, so that is a Straw Man argument. However, eat least modern science (and other spiritual doctrines) knows how many legs a cricket has.

It's easy to vilify modern science, when that is not the true culprit. This is not a religion vs science debate; I for one, view a rather blissful merger between the 2 concepts. For that matter, so did the Kemetians, Sumerians, Chinese, and Aztecs. These cultures saw them as being one and the same. It's only the Bible, and it's believers both past and present that did/do not.


PEACE.

[SAMURAI36]

Jul 7, 2009 23:05:30 GMT -5 WARPATH said:

This thread is too much reading. I'm just gonna jump in by answering the first post.

*What are your general views on the Bible?

Respectfully, to me it's just a book.

*Have you read the Bible in its entirety? If not, how much have you read?

I've read quite a bit actually, but not the whole thing.

*Is the Bible important to your own personal spiritual/cultural growth and development?

I found it just stunted my spiritual and cultural growth.

peace

PEACE FAM,

You and I are in complete accord with this.

[..?The UneXplained?..]

PEACE and Blessings...

...to answer the questions of the OP:

*What are your general views on the Bible?

In general I see the Bible as a conglomeration of writings put together to read kinda like a story book. It has the beginning, it has the end. I think the way it was put together perhaps misrepresents the way each writing was meant to be interpreted. It is supposed to be the book of books but in reality it doesn't live up to that benchmark because there is so much crap in there that needs to be filtered from the good.

People take it as a spiritual guide but the history of a barbaric people who's interpretation of who and what God is, which was equally as barbaric is hardly the foundation one would want to build their spirituality on.

I think their are some good sayings and stories in there especially from Jesus, but the morals of these stories are presented in many different scriptures from many different cultures. Essentially I think where the Bible fails as a spiritual guide (if that is what one is taking it to be) is that it doesn't provide a system for change. It tells you to be righteous (while at the same time as Shah has pointed out providing stories of a far less than righteous people) but fails to give you a way to be righteous. Which proves those who wrote it lacked any real understanding of man's spirit, behavioral patterns, etc. essentially the "why?" of the evil that men do.

*Have you read the Bible in its entirety? If not, how much have you read?

I have never read it cover to cover, but have read a fairly large portion of it over the years in bits and pieces.

*Is the Bible important to your own personal spiritual/cultural growth and development?


Not so much any more. Obviously being a christian for 20 years it used to be important although how much growth and development it encouraged is arguable. Quite possibly it was hindering my growth and development instead of helping. I have always been a fairly spiritual person, would that have been different if I wasn't raised a christian with the bible as my foundation? I don't know. Certainly after 20 years I was spiritually stagnant and the Bible wasn't providing me with what I needed anymore.

PEACE, BE STILL

[SAMURAI36]

Jul 17, 2009 3:05:08 GMT -5 ..?The UneXplained?.. said:

PEACE and Blessings...

...to answer the questions of the OP:

*What are your general views on the Bible?

In general I see the Bible as a conglomeration of writings put together to read kinda like a story book. It has the beginning, it has the end. I think the way it was put together perhaps misrepresents the way each writing was meant to be interpreted. It is supposed to be the book of books but in reality it doesn't live up to that benchmark because there is so much crap in there that needs to be filtered from the good.

Agreed, not to mention that whatever good that can be gleaned, is negligible. We can find "do unto others" and "fear no evil" in other places, and in far more potent forms, sans the negativity. Thus, it's really a bad trade off.

But the duplicitous agenda that the Bible intrinsically carries, is the convincing of the world that this should be the default book above all others-- or, as you stated, the benchmark "book of all books", when even a casual study will prove otherwise. Thus, all other books are, by default, "evil", especially in comparison to the Bible.

A key component of spiritual growth, is the power of choice; "free will" and all that. The Bible takes that away from us, by declaring itself as the only way, and all other avenues as evil.

People take it as a spiritual guide but the history of a barbaric people who's interpretation of who and what God is, which was equally as barbaric is hardly the foundation one would want to build their spirituality on.

How people manage to overlook this fact, opting instead to romantacize the text, is beyond me.

I think their are some good sayings and stories in there especially from Jesus,

As ever, the context of these sayings--especially from Jesus-- should be brought into consideration.

Like, how Jesus found it fit to call a woman a dog, and how he, on numerous occasions, justified slavery-- did ya know that Christ himself said to beat your slaves with many stripes?--makes whatever worth of his "good sayings" negligible.

but the morals of these stories are presented in many different scriptures from many different cultures.

Totally agree. During my dialogue with ANDRESPARATION, he mentioned on a couple of occasions, some Taoist masters, and the like. However, it's ironic, that while we can name numerous "masters" of various different disciplines, we can't name a single one of the Biblical tradition.

Who/what/where is the Judeo-Christian "master"? What minister, Pope, Rabbi, etc has ascended to such a spiritual position, be they past or present?

Mother Theresa? From my knowledge, she was just a kind person, who believed in helping people. Being a morally good person is not the same as being spiritual; there are Atheists who accomplish that on a daily basis.

I think that the reason for this, as you stated below:

Essentially I think where the Bible fails as a spiritual guide (if that is what one is taking it to be) is that it doesn't provide a system for change. It tells you to be righteous (while at the same time as Shah has pointed out providing stories of a far less than righteous people) but fails to give you a way to be righteous. Which proves those who wrote it lacked any real understanding of man's spirit, behavioral patterns, etc. essentially the "why?" of the evil that men do.

Therein lies the issue. We learn in the Kemetian (and African proper) Buddhist, Shamanic, etc traditions, actual means of spiritual ascension... The "Spiritual Mechanics", if you will.

The Bible is virtually devoid of such spiritual mechanics. So what good is it to us spiritually?

*Is the Bible important to your own personal spiritual/cultural growth and development?


Not so much any more. Obviously being a christian for 20 years it used to be important although how much growth and development it encouraged is arguable. Quite possibly it was hindering my growth and development instead of helping. I have always been a fairly spiritual person, would that have been different if I wasn't raised a christian with the bible as my foundation? I don't know. Certainly after 20 years I was spiritually stagnant and the Bible wasn't providing me with what I needed anymore.

Ironically, yours is almost the exact same position I'd found myself in, during my early spiritual development. It was a struggle for me to move past seeing the Bible as the default book, simply because of the social programming that we all have been subjected to. Let none of us underestimate the potency of that programming.

I know many of us think that this discussion is one that is needless and trite, but if we wish to succeed in reaching out to people, that programming must be addressed, and eventually defeated. And the Bible itself is intrinsic to that programming.

PEACE