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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jun 30, 2009 8:25:09 GMT -5
PEACE TO ALL:
I've had some time to reflect on this topic for the past couple of days... I realize that this topic has garnered a bit of frustration within me, more than what is normal for me, LOL.
I've also come to realize, that I am more vested in this subjecvt that what I might normally be as well.
Like many of you, and perhaps moreso than most of you, I have had a sordid history with the Bible. It has been the source of pleasure and pain for me. It is like the most toxic of relationships; one where the couple breaks up, gets back together, and repeats all too often.
Thus, once that cycle is finally and permanently broken, it's all too painful watching someone else go thru the same cycle, watching them go nowhere, all the while, thinking they are going somewhere, and especially when they don't even know that they are in such a cycle.
Given that most of this discussion has taken place with myself and ANDRESPIRATION, it must seem that I am taking my frustrations out on him. I bear no malice towards him, nor towards anyone else here. This is not the Old Cradle, WTCorp, DESTEE.Com, or any other site that any of you might know me from.
However, what I have found does fan the flames of my frustration, is the lack of acknowledgement in this thread.
With ADRESPIRATION specifically, I've taken keen notice that not all of my responses have gone answered, let alone fully acknowledged. If you take notice, I strive to make it a point to respond to each and every statement that is made from a person's response. I realize that this is perhaps tedious, and definitely time consuming.
However, it's IMO wholly necessary, though I'm realizing that my most pertinent statements are being have gone ignored and unacknowledged. I know that much of the ideas and concepts in this thread are ones that most of you may not have encountered before. But in the interest of true mental and spiritual development, I believe that these concepts must be tackled head-on.
Thus, we shouldn't be talking over the subject, but directly confronting it.
PEACE
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Post by Tamahu on Jun 30, 2009 13:30:43 GMT -5
Peace It has been my intention to to address as much as possible in this thread, or at least to see if we can come to an agreement in regard to what are the MOST pertinent issues on this subject, and focus on those(although I realize that I'm one of the worst when it comes to going off on tangents). If I don't get to addressing certain things here, it is due to lack of time and/or energy(I still gotta work on that: balancing my day-to-day life with doing the knowledge, which I still haven't figured out how to do after all these years), and not because I'm trying to ignore anybody or not address specific issues. This being said, there are some things in my first couple posts or so in this thread which seem to have not yet been addressed(such my reference to The Fetch's observations), and perhaps I should put these things in the context of where I'm even coming from on this. First of all, I question altogether the 'intelligence' that 'designed' this physical Universe and other lower dimensions via the "Law of Karma" and also what the Buddhists call "Interdependent Origination". Some refer to this "Intelligence" as "the Demiurge", "the Lords of Karma", etc. So Samurai, I see that you're basically saying that the Hebrews had little to no understanding of these 'laws'; because if they did, they would at least have recorded the correct number of legs that insects have, etc. Anyway, like I said earlier, I want to start some new threads that we can cross-reference in this thread before going much further. So if I can get around to doing that soon I will(unless something comes up that prevents me from doing so); and after that, I would like to go back and see if I can address other issues in this thread that have not yet been addressed. Now this could take a couple of days, or could take a few weeks.... So my questioning of the design of "karma" and "interdependent origination" altogether, is my basis right now for discussing any spiritual 'path' Biblical or otherwise(and this is why I bring up Dzogchen, because it's teachings state that once one enters their Primordial or Natural State(and is able to remain in it), the karmic laws of the lower vehicles of Buddhism, both Sutric and Tantric, no longer apply, assuming that the individual is actually in the Natural State as opposed to just thinking that they are). Now I'm not even asking anyone to address any of the above(yet), I just want to explain myself a little before moving forward. However, I do have some specific questions for right now though: 1) Where does the Kabbalistic teaching of "empty shells" or "Klipoth"(perhaps the most accurate Hebrew word for 'hell' as opposed to "Gehenna", "Sheol", etc.) originate? Is 'hell' nothing more than a fear tactic that the Brahmin and 'Illuminated Class' use to control people ? Or is it a set of very dense lower dimensions that we actually have to abide in after physically dying in order to "pay our karma", that is to say if we don't "pay our karma"/"destroy our egos" consciously and willingly("Thelema") within so many reincarnations on this physical plane? The Kabbalist Dante wrote of 9 circles of hell(the Sephiroth inverted); and the Buddhists divide these 9 hells into two, making 18(basically a hot and cold version each of the 9 inverted "Sephirah"). As Amitakh Stanford has shown, there is strong reason to suspect that these "Demiurge" or "Lords of Karma" are not truly Divine(despite their capability to create physical Universes) and are nothing more than Cosmic tyrants who have actually designed karma in a an unfair manner, in order to keep what Ugo Bianchi and Samael Aun Weor refer to as "an elite" or "a certain elite" always on top. Now Amitakh Stanford does write about some David-Icke-ish-sounding stuff that is questionable, but that's another thread I'd like to start. Scorpio Shaping Flow(James Scott Kimball?) wrote that the "Illuminated Class" simply transfer, from the astral plane, their accumulated-"bad"-karma-energies to lower-class people's etheric bodies while the latter's physical bodies are in their beds asleep. And that these elitists are also stealing these unaware lower-class people's Illumination, Light, "Dharma", "good karma", etc. via vampirism in order to make said elitists more Illuminated, all the while transferring their heavy karma to these unaware lower-class people in the same 'vampirising session'. SSF/JSK also implied that the accumulation of Illumination is less about morals(religion's emphasis on "morals" being a way to keep people stuck in narrow-mindedness), and is more about Building Talent. Meaning that vampirizing energy is a fast way for elitists to accumulate(steal rather) Illumination, but that it can also be accumulated by anyone by enthusiastically pursuing various talents and abilities which serve as catalysts for attracting Light. 2) What is the Nubian, Khemetian, Sumerian, Phoenician, Arab, etc. equivalent teachings of what the Jews call "Daath"(the Tree of Knowledge, of Good and Evil)? Daath seems to be based on the Tantric Dharmodaya that I posted a link to earlier in this thread. Are there to be found Hexagram symbols within the remnants of Ancient Nubia, Khemet, Sumer, etc.? 3) It is said that one cannot even begin to start "working out their karma" unless one starts to transmute their sexual energy with pranayama and/or sexual magic, and also unless one indefinitely stops the intentional 'spilling of the semen' or orgasm, for the rest of one's life. Meaning that even if one is performing good deeds, meditating regularly, teaching Dharma, etc. they will rack up karma faster than they can pay it so long as they continue with the intentional orgasm. Is this true or false? 4) Did the physical and cultural victims of the Hyksos/Hebrews reap what they had sown karmically? And if so, is it because the victims of the Hebrews did a few major things to "deserve" it, or was it because they slowly accumulated karma over a long period of time that finally culminated into them getting attacked by these Hebrews/Hyksos? If I can't get to posting the other cross-reference threads soon, that I've mentioned, then perhaps these four questions in reference to my first few posts in this thread are enough to put my views in the context of Gnosticism and "the Bible"(or maybe they aren't all on-topic enough to stay in this thread?). And if anyone feels that I ought to address more of their questions and comments first, before I get more replies to my questions and comments, that's totally fine and I won't mind going back and addressing others' comments and questions before I get more replies to mine.  PEACE |
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Post by Tamahu on Jun 30, 2009 14:25:46 GMT -5
As funny as comments like this, and fat, greazy, reverends from Alabama are(I must say that I LMAO'd); are these people really to blame for being the way they are? I do wonder if each apparent individual really does "control their destiny", considering that the "Demiurge" wipes away our memories of our past lives within the first few months of our physical birth, and then imposes "Illuminati" mind-control on us to boot right after that; all in the name of, and the enforcing of "karma"(see also teachings on genotype, phenotype, and paratype). Not to mention that not only do the veils in Biblical books hide whatever 'truths' might be found therein, they even lead people further away from said 'truths' instead of just keeping people stagnant. The Gnostic teachings do state that not all 'Monads' want to attain Self-Realization. So maybe these people, who have almost zero chance of discovering any possible esoterum in "the Bible", don't suffer as much as I do and/or as much as I think they do.... But then again, what is a 'Monad' as apparently separate from a Essence, a Essence as apparently separate from a personality, and a personality as apparently separate from a ego? Kuraudo VS Demiurge's teachingsAgain, I'm not necessarily expecting replies to any of this as of yet. Just putting it more into context. Or, if my last two posts have somehow addressed anyone's previously un-addressed specific comments or questions that they've already posted in this thread, feel free to take my last two posts as an addressing of your said specific comments or questions that you've already put forth somewhere in this thread. |
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Post by .-<(B.1.6.6.E.R.)>-. on Jul 1, 2009 18:37:27 GMT -5
good medicine usually doesn't taste good, and can poison you also
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Jul 2, 2009 2:09:14 GMT -5
Tamahu YOU SAID THIS: "Yahovah"("God") and "Yavhe"("Satan") are both different names for the same Demiurge("The Bible" even says so), so Jews and Christians worship Satan, and Satanists worship Jahovah. --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1THIS MIGHT INTEREST YOU, OR YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE SEEN THIS. IT IS A SUPPOSED MEMBER OF SOME ILLUMINATI FAMILY DOING A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION WITH A CROWD OF SUBMISSIVE ORDINARY PEOPLE. HE MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE REAL DEAL, BUT THE ACCUSIAITONS HE MAKES ABOUT YAHOVAH ARE RELEVENT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Moses or Musa(who is said to have taught the devil tricknology) was a Hebrew Kemetian Priest who taught a watered-down Jewish version of the Tree of Life. So if I'm not sure if I could have even fully trusted the Ancient Kemetian Priesthood itself, what does that say about trusting anything of the Jewish based religions? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE FATE OF "THE TEACHING" ON EARTH, IF IT IS BEING CONTINUALLY WATTERD DOWN? ONE WOULD THINK A DOCTRINE THAT IS SO EXHALTED WOULD BE RULING AND PROSPERING ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It seems that Mahasandhi, Adi-Tantra, or Dzogchen is the highest teaching that the 'Illuminati' are willing to leek... --------------------------------------------------------------------- SHOULDNT ONE BE ABLE TO GET BEYOND THAT, IF THERE IS A BEYOND THAT WITHOUT THE ILLUMINATI LEEKING YOU THE TACTIC. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SAM36 BTW, I'm not the typical Black man that tries to find aspects of Afrocentricity in the Bible: "Jesus was Black" and whatnot. Far as I'm concerned, calling Jesus Black, is like calling the Easter Bunny Black. The so-called Jews (aka, Hyksos, aka Hurrians, aka Hittites, aka Hapiru, aka Habbatu) are and were always Eurasians, but that's another discussion. --------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT DO YOU FEEL ABOUT SITES LIKE THESE THAT POSSIT A BLACK TRIBE OF HEBREWS? afgen.com/ethiopians.html--------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps not physical genocide, but certainly cultural genocide. The NT, specifically the Pauline Epistles, are rife with spiritual imperialistic notions. Further, both in the Gospels, as well as the Epistles, Christ (of his own wording, as well as thru the mouth of Paul) condones slavery at worst, and certainly does nothing to speak against it at best. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS MAY OR MAY NOT STRIKE YOU AS A FAIR POINT, BUT "WHAT CHOICE DOES GOD HAVE BUT TO KILL THAT WHICH IS NOT SELF?" COULDNT CARYING OUT THIS DICTUM BE INTERPRETED AS IMPERIALISTIC, CLAIMING A CULTURE THAT IS SO "TRUE TO LIFE" IS WHAT LED TO THE NAZI'S GENOCIDE, BUT IT AT THE SAME TIME IS RIGHTOUS FROM A "UNIVERSAL STANDPOINT". AND ALSO, PERHAPS SLAVORY IS NOT UNNATURAL TO MAN. IS NOT MAN A SLAVE TO GOD? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus, it's no wonder that the "Founding Christian Fathers" of Christian Orthodoxy (and no, I don't mean the Fathers of America either) had no problem with the post modern notion of slavery, as it was past to their later Western European ancestors, who used this very same Book as the means for executing the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. --------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT IS CHRISTIAN ORTHODOXY? CHRISTIANITY HAS MANY FORMS YOU DONT SEEM TO BE DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS. YOU CANT REALLY CALL ANY ONE OF THEM ORTHODOX. UNLESS THEY ARE GREEK ORTHADOX. IN ANY EVENT, YOU CANT RELY ON THE ELIGHTENMENT IDEAL THAT SLAVORY IS WRONG TO CONDEM CHRIST. THAT MAY NOT HOLD UP IN THE COURT OF GOOD AND EVIL. SLAVORY IS IN SOMEWAYS COMPERALBLE TO PRIVATE PROPERTY OF ANY SORT, OR THE AGE OLD HIRARCHICAL SOCIETY. NOT THAT I ENDORCE SLAVORY, ESPECIALLY NOT RACIALY BIASED SLAVORY, BUT DOESNT THE INDIAN SOCIETY PRACTICE A CAST SYSTEM THAT JUSTIFIES THE STRATIFICATION BY THE NOTION OF A SPIRITUALY ARANGED SOCIAL STRUCTURE. THIS GROSS INJUSTICE BY MODERN NOTIONS IS INKEEPING WITH THE INDIAN HOLYBOOKS I ASSUME, BUT I WOULNT THROUGH THOSE OUT WITH THE BATHWATER. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you don't know the actual person who wrote any of these texts, then there's no way that their intent can be gleaned. For all we know, The Roman Church Fathers could have written all of it. Or Perhaps King James. PERHAPS THE BACKSTREET BOYS MADE THE KILLARY ALBUM? WHO KNOWS? WE DONT KNOW EXACTLY WHO WROTE THE INDIVIDUAL BOOKS OF THE BIBLE, WE KNOW WHO COMPOSED THE BIBLE. AND "IT IS SAFE TO SAY" WE KNOW THESE MEN WERE NOT THE AUTHORS OF THE BIBLE. THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING THE HOLOCOST NEVER HAPPENED. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO PROVE TO YOU BASED ON HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE JEWS WROTE THE OLD TESTEMENT SINCE YOU THINK THE MORAL DEPRAVITY OF THE CHARACTERS IN THE OT IS IN KEEPING WITH CULTURE OF THE JEWS AS WITNESSED BY SUROUNDING PEOPLES. If you don't know the actual person who wrote any of these texts, then there's no way that their intent can be gleaned. YOU KNOW A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL SCHOLLARS AND HISTORIANS MAKE CONJECTURES ABOUT THE WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHENS, AND WHYS, BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT IS SOLELY TEXTUAL. IF I FIND A BOOK OF INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO FLY A KITE, I DONT NEED TO KNOW WHO WROTE IT IN ORDER TO GLEEN THE INTENTION. ALSO, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT DEBATE AS TO WEATHER OR NOT THE AUTHOR OF THE TAO DE CHING IS A FICTIONAL MYTHICAL CHARACHTER WHERE THE TRUE WRITTER IS A MYSTERY. BUT THESE ARE SOUR POINTS IN THE DEBATE. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The same cannot be said of the Hebrews, though. If they were in fact "chosen" for anything, it was to murder, rape, steal, pillage and plunder. Please demonstrate how this balances out, with their 1 or 2 Esoteric Bible verses. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MAN EATS FROM THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL, THEY END UP WITH KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL WITCH DRIVES THEM CRAZY AND MAKES THEM RAPE ROB AND KILL EACH OTHER. I SPECULATE THAT ANY INSIGHT INTO THE NATURE OF MAN MORE PROFOUND THAN THE STORY OF OWER FALL FROM GRACE [glow=red,2,300]THROUGH KNOWLEGE[/glow] INTO A MATRIX OF GOOD AND EVIL, WOULD NEED A DESCRIPT TRAGIC OUTCOME TO FULLY ILLUSTRATE THE MEANING OF THIS PARABLE. ALSO, (EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE APPARENTLY COMPLEATLY DISREGARDED THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS FROM EVEN A DISCURCIVE STANDPOINT), I FEEL SAFE TO SAY THAT IF ONE CONSIDERS THE PROSPECT THAT THE 144,000 CHOSEN ARE OF "EVERY NATION, TRIBE, PEOPLE, AND LANGUAGE", AND ALSO ARE INCLUDED AS FROM [glow=red,2,300]THE TRIBES OF ISREAL[/glow], THAN ONE MIGHT CONCLUDE THAT THE QUESTION POSTULATED IN REV.6.9 BY “THOSE WHO HAD BEEN SLAIN BECAUSE OF THE WORD OF GOD AND THE TESTIMONY THEY HAD MAINTAINED”, "HOW LONG SOVEREIGN LORD, HOLY AND TRUE, UNTIL YOU JUDGE THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH AND AVENGE OUR BLOOD?" MAY APPLY TO THOSE WHO WERE KILLED BY THE JEWS. IN WHICH CASE THE BIBLE BALLANCES OUT THE UNGODY UNJUSTICE ON THE EARTH BY ACKNOWLEGING THE SENTIMENT OF THOSE WHO SUFFER IT, AND PREACHING THEIR REWARD IN HEAVEN. WHICH MAY NOT SATISFY YOU, BUT IS SATIFACTORY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WORK AS A WHOLE. -------------------------------- Further, the story of Noah is based on Blatant Talmudic racism. You are aware of the Talmudic account of the Noah story, yes? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- COULDN’T FIND IT ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET. BUT I DID FIND SOME QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE WHERE HAM, ONE OF THE SONS OF NOAH WAS CURCING A CERTAIN PERSON WITH THE TRAITS OF BLACKNESS, WHICH I CAN UNDERSTAND WOULD BE RACIST. IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE REFERING TO? IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE THE PERSON HE WAS CURSING WAS 1. PART OF HIS FAMILY 2. PROBABLY NOT BLACK YET, IN THAT HAM WAS WISHING AFRICAN QUALITIES ON HIS FUTURE GENERATIONS. EVEN THOUGH THIS CURSE IS NOT SCIENTIFICLY POSSIBLE, IT WOULD IMPLY THAT BLACK PEOPLE COME FROM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I've already covered this "striking resemblance". Are you not aware of the Global agenda at work, and how it started with religion? You (and other Bible believers) make the relationship between Revelations and the current events of the world sound like they are mutually exclusive from each other. The Illuminati (for lack of a better name) had been entangled in religious organizations since its inception. How hard is it to conceptualize that these secret groups have read and mastered these texts, to the point of using the ideas therein to manipulate the masses thru-out the ages? Do you know who wrote Revelations? How do you know that it was not all a scam from the "Illuminati"? Christ is a mythological figure that has been psuedo-actualized thru-out the ages, for the purpose of furthering a nefarious agenda. “Says the person that knows nothing about the Illuminati, their plan, their history, etc” ---------------------------------------------- I EMPLORE YOU TO “ILLUMINATE” ME AS TO THE NEFARIOUS AGENDA IN PSUEDO-ACTUALIZING HERU? AND I AM NOT BEING FACITIOUS WITH MY WORDS. YOU SAID YOU ALLRADY MENTIONED THIS IN THIS THREAD, BUT I HAVE READ THE THREAD A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIMES AND CAN ONLY FIND TAMAHU HAS PUT SOME THEORIES AS TO WHO THE ILLUMINATI ARE, AND WHAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO THE BIBLE IS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF THESE BOOKS WERE COMPILED FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A BEGINING AND AN ENDING WHERE THERE IS NONE FOR SOME MYSTICAL PURPOSE." “Would it surprise you that these books were simply written to control the masses, and nothing more?” WHY WOULD YOU PSUEDO ACTUALIZE A GOD FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONTROLLING MASSES AN NOTHING MORE, MEANING IF YOU HAVE THE POWER TO PSUDO ACTUALIZE A GOD, WOULDN’T YOUR ASPERATIONS EXTEND BEYOND CONTROLLING CATTLE? DO YOU THINK THIS IS AUTHENTIC? www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread402958/pg1-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I suggest you spend time finding out what the term "Asia" means, and where it comes from, rather than continuing to reach and postulate, and you'll perhaps see the reason for this glaring inconsistency, as you call it. ---------------------------------------------- IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE REFERING TO? In Qaballah cosmology there are four worlds. The lowest world, Assiah, comprises the physical and lower planes of the astral. In esoteric Nation of Islam theology, Assiah was called "Asia." From here: amirfatir.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Asiatic.htm----------------------------------------------------------------- What does that have to do with your statement above? Trumpets and hours are distinctly unrelated I EQUATE THE WARNINGS OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT IN THE KORAN THAT REFER TO THE HOUR WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS. REV.10.6. “THERE WILL BE NO MORE DELAY! BUT IN THE DAYS WHEN THE 7TH ANGEL IS ABOUT TO SOUND HIS TRUMPET, THE MYSTERY OF GOD WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED, JUST AS HE ANNOUNCED TO HIS SERVENTS THE PROPHETS” MEANING ILLUMINATI HAS NO POWER OVER “HIM WHO LIVES FOREVER AND EVER, WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM, THE EARTH AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IS IN IT.” BY THE WAY, WHY DO YOU THINK “THEIR BODIES WILL LIE IN THE STREET OF THE GREAT CITY, WHICH IS FIGURATIVELY CALLED SODOM AND EGYPT, WHERE ALSO THEIR LORD WAS CRUCIFIED?" IF CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED AT GALALLI ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, AND NOT CRUCIFIED AT ALL ACCORDING TO THE KORAN? ------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jul 2, 2009 12:38:49 GMT -5
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Moses or Musa(who is said to have taught the devil tricknology) was a Hebrew Kemetian Priest who taught a watered-down Jewish version of the Tree of Life. So if I'm not sure if I could have even fully trusted the Ancient Kemetian Priesthood itself, what does that say about trusting anything of the Jewish based religions? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE FATE OF "THE TEACHING" ON EARTH, IF IT IS BEING CONTINUALLY WATTERD DOWN? ONE WOULD THINK A DOCTRINE THAT IS SO EXHALTED WOULD BE RULING AND PROSPERING It says that it would have been the prevailing system on earth, were it not for your precious Esoteric Hebrews coming to launch several campaigns to destroy them over the ages. That is somehow the "doctrine's" fault, or the people who created and lived by it? This is yet again, an attempt to justify the actions of the true culprits. Of course. It happens all the time, but only for those that are inherently initiated.... The "5%", so to speak. Garbage. Straight up flotsam. But more importantly, what do you think of it? You're right.... It's not a fair point... Yet again, you don't actually acknowledge the statement I made, opting instead to veer off into a totally different tangent. Whether this culture is "true to life" or not, is wholly irrelevant. The fact is, that culture was bothering no one, certainly not the invading culture. It was strictly the invading culture's (i.e. your Hebrew Heroes) egotism, arrogance, greed, lust, evny and hate (all attributes that countermand your visions of Esoterum) that caused these high culture's downfall. Ironically, the Hebrews acted in the very same manner, and for the very same reasons as the Nazi's did. Wasn't Hitler half Jewish?  Your attempt to evade the issue is noticable. Christian Orthodoxy is the basic, simple premise that Jesus Christ is the Son of a Trinitarian God, and savior of all humanity. The distinctions between the various sects (Catholic, Protestant, etc) are wholly irrelevant, both to that point, as well as to this discussion. It seems, that in your mind, nothing can be used to indict Christ, or any aspect of the Bible. Where exactly is this court?  Uhmm, did you just use the Caste system as example of your point??? Please tell me you didn't. Beyond stating the fact that the Aryans who invaded India and created the caste, imposing it (and what we now call "Hinduism") upon the native Dravidians, I would implore you to add this to the list of things that you need to rigorously research.... Right next to your Bible. Anything Vedic, yes. Let it be noted, that according to scholars, the likes of Michael Bradley and Merlin Stone, The Aryans were close cousins to the Hebrews. In fact, it may merely be that when this same group branched out in different directions thru-out Asia, they merely went by different names, according to the different languages and dialects that they co-opted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- That sounds stupid. You have proof of who made the Killah Army album. Nice way to dodge the point, though. And we barely know that. Meaning, their motivations behind doing so has been grossly misconstrued by the early Church. Constantine, the Roman Pagan, only had interest in the Bible for political reasons. He didn't believe in it, and died a pagan. It's "safe to say" no such thing. Show and prove. Not that these 2 instances are remotely related, but the fact is, there is demonstrative evidence of the Holocaust. Where is the evidence for who wrote the Bible? That's a cop-out. And further, that's a faulty assumption on your part. Firstly, the people you call "the Jews" were not an officialized entity at the time of the accounts from the cultures in question. There is a valid reason why I continue to refer to them as "Hebrews/Hyksos/Habbatu/Hurrians/Hapiru/etc." Perhaps we should add "Aryans" to the list... But then again, perhaps the term "Hurrians" already accounts for that. And you say this, as if that's not problematic in and of itself. You site one faulty rule, in justification of another. How quaint. Bad example. That's only valid if the only intention was to show a person how to fly a kite, and nothing more. However, that's a huge assumption on the part of the reader still. What, may I ask, is the true intention for flying a kite? Actually, that's quite germane to the topic, one that kinda hurts your point overall. In lieu of not having the actual writer accounted for, one can turn to a host of qualifiers, such as the socio-political climate closely related to, and effecting the writing in question. Yours is the defeatist view, that " we don't know, so it's not meant for us to know". We can fail to exhaust any and all means to locate the author, but we can go to the greatest lengths to glean whatever "esoterum" from his writings?? This sounds like more justification of the evil of men. More over, it's wholly inaccurate. Numerous other cultures, and Orders within those societies have "eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil", and have not raped, killed, stolen, etc. That is like saying that every kid that goes to Public School is gonna turn out bad, and that every kid that goes to Private School is gonna turn out okay. This leads us to the logical conclusion that: *Perhaps the unassailing cultures did not eat from the Tree afterall, if we follow your "logic" *Perhaps your logic is faulty, and it was in fact the assailing culture that did not eat from the tree. Just for clarification, how are you intending the use and meaning of "DISCURSIVE" in this context? It has 2 meanings you know.... Both of which could serve to hurt your argument here. -------------------------------- You are correct, this is unsatisfactory. The reason being, is because this could be the work of some (perpectually UNKNOWN) author, expressing guilt over what his literary predecessors (and perhaps his very own people, who knows?) had written (and done?), and spoke of some "hope" of his in his own writing. How convenient for the author to offer up this "blessing" to and for the slain. I wonder if these same Jews would have been so compassionate in heart, had they learned of what happened to their ancestors in the Nazi Holocaust that you yourself mentioned earlier.  I continue to be amazed at how you are not familiar with this story, yet go to the greatest lengths to find all sorts of deeper meanings in the Bible, where there perhaps are none. But yes, that is the story in reference. This is false for numerous reasons. #1 You continue to NOT know your Bible. Abraham was a descendant of Noah, not an ancestor. Abraham was a decsendant of Shem, who was the son of Noah. The African root, according to the story, came from Ham's line, not Shem's. Thus, according to your own Bible, Abraham was the father of NOTHING African. #2 You can believe this Biblical fairytale all you want. The Pygmies are some of the oldest humans on the earth, and they had nothing to do with Eurasia. But I'm sure you've found a way to reconcile this with your Esoteric Bible. ---------------------------------------------------------------- I've already covered this "striking resemblance". Are you not aware of the Global agenda at work, and how it started with religion? You (and other Bible believers) make the relationship between Revelations and the current events of the world sound like they are mutually exclusive from each other. The Illuminati (for lack of a better name) had been entangled in religious organizations since its inception. How hard is it to conceptualize that these secret groups have read and mastered these texts, to the point of using the ideas therein to manipulate the masses thru-out the ages? Do you know who wrote Revelations? How do you know that it was not all a scam from the "Illuminati"? This info is all over the net. Do a casual search. In the meantime, didn't you mention ZEITGEIST earlier in this discussion? That point was thoroughly laid out in that documentary. You just quoted me above. There is info about the Illuminati and their plans all over the internet. How you've managed to dodge it all this time is beyond me. I would implore you to add this to your reading list, along with the Aryans, and your Bible. Honestly, this portion of the convo is stalemated, until you bring yourself up to date on secret societies. In the meantime, I continue to be baffled, as to how you've missed this info, while searching on-line for all these "Biblical Hidden Mysteries". These concepts are not by far mutually exclusive. Most of the time, they are in the same sentences, in the same paragraphs, on the same pages, in the same chapters, of the same books. Probably not. But that in no way negates the host of info out there that is authentic. Again, you said you watched ZEITGEIST... Did you watch both parts? Hells to the naw. Instead of taking someone's word, who uses fancy word play, and, like you, searches for deep meanings where there perhaps are none, I would implore you to use an actual SCIENCE to do your research. Oh, okay. Alrighty then.  You are attempting to invite me on your journey, of finding meaning in the meaningless. That is a journey that you will be alone on. By the way, your Bible does not imply that Christ was crucified in Galilee. PEACE |
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Post by jonnygemini on Jul 2, 2009 18:35:01 GMT -5
this mind expanding build is proof positive I need to re-read the Bible
I appreciate and respect the light you shed on this topic
I wish I had more to add than this, but today I am weighing whether my paycheck is worth more than my pride and my mental is not in the most spiritual frame
I was inspired to pick up the book for the first time in awhile today by your discussion and will report back...maybe I needed this knowledge in order to find my answer.
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jul 2, 2009 18:51:42 GMT -5
this mind expanding build is proof positive I need to re-read the Bible I appreciate and respect the light you shed on this topic I wish I had more to add than this, but today I am weighing whether my paycheck is worth more than my pride and my mental is not in the most spiritual frame I was inspired to pick up the book for the first time in awhile today by your discussion and will report back...maybe I needed this knowledge in order to find my answer. PEACE Hopefully this thread will set you on the path of getting you what you need; that's truly what it was intended for. And believe me, I understand the dichotomy between one's paycheck and one's pride. You'll work it out. HOTEPU |
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jul 2, 2009 20:08:24 GMT -5
Peace It has been my intention to to address as much as possible in this thread, or at least to see if we can come to an agreement in regard to what are the MOST pertinent issues on this subject, and focus on those(although I realize that I'm one of the worst when it comes to going off on tangents). If I don't get to addressing certain things here, it is due to lack of time and/or energy(I still gotta work on that: balancing my day-to-day life with doing the knowledge, which I still haven't figured out how to do after all these years), and not because I'm trying to ignore anybody or not address specific issues. I totally understand the need to balance your time... As with the Paycheck/Pride, this is yet another concept that I'm personally mastering right now. Take your time, don't feel rushed to respond. This topic will be here, and so will we. Not speaking for anyone else, but there was a bit of a reason for the lack of sufficient acknowledgement of your concepts, at least on my part. I shall strive to make this evident, as this post progresses. Hmm, interesting point.... For the most part, yes. One must consider the Wholistic mindset of a mentally and spiriturally developed individual. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned the analogy of the "Fat Greasy Alabama Preacher", and the "One-Toothed, Cousin-Fucking Redneck", as examples of people we would instinctively steer clear from, in terms of seeking high-level enlightenment from. Another apt example, is that most of us know to come to the CRADLE to get and share knowledge. We choose not to go to WTCORP, or "The Corpse" (is that even still around anymore?), or some of those other foolish sites for what we need. Or the neighborhood pedophile... I'm sure most of us would want to kill him, rather than sit down and break down the wisdom of the ages with him... I'm sure there are very few people here, who think that such as "Chester" even possesses such wisdom. I could use several examples to demonstrate my point. But my point is further exasperated, when we would naturally look at the above examples as valid, yet cannot bring ourselves to look at the Bible and the characters in and around it in the same manner, based on the same circumstances. It's not just their (lack of) intelligence, but also their (lack of) integrity that should be brought into question. We have no problem dismissing the Caste system, and those who created, but cannot do the very same thing, when the truth is, the "Chosen Jews" concept is no different in both premise and practice as the Caste..... Especially when, as I previously stated, there is more than a casual correlation between the Hebrews and the Aryans (Hurrians?). This thread has already grown to exponential levels. Perhaps it is best to create new threads for related, yet tangential topics. My question for you, is: does this apply to everyone along the Karmic spectrum, no matter how high or low? The reason I ask, will be progressively clear, however I would like to state that I see the character and presence of those called the Hebrews/Hyksos, etc as an unbridled force of nature. This perhaps coincides with how others in history, such as the Kemetians, Sumerians, etc saw them, as well as those in contemporary times, such as The Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Noble Drew Ali saw them ("wicked Devils"). Now I'm not even asking anyone to address any of the above(yet), I just want to explain myself a little before moving forward. However, I do have some specific questions for right now though: Perhaps THIS sheds light on the subject? I'm willing to consider this. However, I still don't see, and doubt if there really is a connection between this, and any iterations of the concept in the Bible.... Outside the "appropriations" (HIJACKING) of this and other concepts. Agreed. However, it seems that important point to note, is that Kabbalah seems to operate totally independently of the BIble... Much in the way that Sufism operates totally independently of the Qur'an. How interesting is it to note, that both groups (Jews and Muslims) seek to "stop the buck" of the origins of Kabbala and Sufi, respectively, with themselves. We know that Kabbala originates in Canaan, and Sufi, perhaps a derivative of Kabbala, perhaps also emerges as a derivative of Zoroastrianism and other Ancient, Pre-Islamic Arabian spiritual orders. My point of mentioning this, is to demonstrate the fact that these elements are ones that both the Jews and the Muslims co-opted upon their advent into the Levant, and the "spiritual scene". Hmm, interesting point. This seems to coincide with the reasoning that Ra Un Nefer Amen gave, in terms of why SET does not appear in his rawest form, on the Kemetic PA'UT NETER (Tree Of Life). Technically, Set is not a part of the "Company of Gods", though wholistically, he is very much related to all of them. Hmm, interesting concept. Just tryna see the correlation in all of this. Hmm, this sounds suspiciously much like the Abrahamic Legacy. As with all ancient High Societies, Sacred Geometry is very prevalent in Kemet, Sumer, Nubia, and Canaan. The same applies for the Yoruba IFA, which is very much the African equivolent to I-CHING. I'm sure a casual search on-line will produce some examples. RUNA lists DA'ATH as the AMEN faculty. I believe that there is truth to this. Thus, applying this concept to the Hebrews/Hyksos, etc, they must be in Karmic "Hell", since their sexuality was so Root Chakra, that it ain't even funny. Wow, this is a potent question.... One that perhaps deserves it's own thread. However, let us begin to extrapolate here: If the Hebrews (or anyone else, for that matter) are being used as a Force of Nature, for the purpose of collecting on Karmic debt, what then, is to be said of their own Karmic debt? As for your 2 possible theories (accumulative karma vs major instances), history does not demonstrate anyting "major" that would trigger such a cataclysm. So perhaps the accumulative reasoning has validity. In terms of the Biblical context, no reason is ever given, outside of the Hebrews' own self-righteous ego and arrogance. For example, all the Canaanites and Nubians had ever done, was worship "The Lord" (and practice their way of life in general) in a way that the Hebrews/Hyksos, etc didn't agree with. It was never explicitly stated what was wrong with the Afroasian way of life and theologies, just that it clashed with its Eurasian counterpart. Thus, my question would be: how does a society(s) that practice such High culture, rack up that much bad Karma, so as to warrant near ELE (Extinction Level Event) response to it? So the Justice (Penalty or Reward) for elevating on an individual as well as collective level, is utter destructoin? This goes back to my question previously, in regards to the "Tower of Babel" non-sense, of How the "Divine Intelligence" would endow us with such inherent spiritual abilities, and then destroy us for acting upon it. Unless you are saying, that perhaps when it was said "let us go down and see what they are doing", that it was perhaps not the Divine Intelligence" speaking? Michael Bradley has an interesting theory of who was speaking in his book CHOSEN PEOPLE OF THE CAUCASUS. Which I'm inclined towards, especially given that the Divine Intelligence "going down" to and from anywhere is highly inconsistent with the general Biblical (and even universally spiritual) notion that God is everywhere, and in all things. I'm noticing that you are blending several concepts together here: Gnosticism, Kabbalism, Dharmism, and the Bible. Not that these elements don't correlate in some way, but I'm just trying to get the clearest understanding of how you put them together for yourself. [qoute]And if anyone feels that I ought to address more of their questions and comments first, before I get more replies to my questions and comments, that's totally fine and I won't mind going back and addressing others' comments and questions before I get more replies to mine. [/quote] As you can see, I've no problems acknowledging your point here, as I perceive them. I would like to have a more in-depth discussion on the atrocities recorded in the Bible, their historical correlation, and the ethical/moral implications thereof. This does seem to be the one thing that most people here (and in the world at large) are avoiding. PEACE |
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Post by CIVILISON on Jul 2, 2009 20:38:58 GMT -5
Much respect to everybody contributing here I gotta admit I'm not such an avid Bible student myself but find all this info very informational. I'll keep reading and referring back to this thread in my own pursuits of biblical truths and untruths. Peace brethren
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Jul 3, 2009 19:40:09 GMT -5
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Moses or Musa(who is said to have taught the devil tricknology) was a Hebrew Kemetian Priest who taught a watered-down Jewish version of the Tree of Life. So if I'm not sure if I could have even fully trusted the Ancient Kemetian Priesthood itself, what does that say about trusting anything of the Jewish based religions? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE FATE OF "THE TEACHING" ON EARTH, IF IT IS BEING CONTINUALLY WATTERD DOWN? ONE WOULD THINK A DOCTRINE THAT IS SO EXHALTED WOULD BE RULING AND PROSPERING It says that it would have been the prevailing system on earth, were it not for your precious Esoteric Hebrews coming to launch several campaigns to destroy them over the ages. That is somehow the "doctrine's" fault, or the people who created and lived by it? This is yet again, an attempt to justify the actions of the true culprits. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not trying to justify the horrific acts of the Bible. I have been trying to exhaust explanations. Nonetheless, it is seemingly evident that the God of the Jews, was more powerful in his wikedness and more prommising in his violence than the Gods of the cultures who were victum. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Garbage. Straight up flotsam. But more importantly, what do you think of it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I am never going to have the resources to establish once and for all who exactly is the authority on history. One would have to trust a library selection, or internet list of available information, than trust a historian, whose farmiliarity with data is way beyond me, and who trusts an archiologist, who trusts a scientific paradigm and tools like carbon dateing, which I only know to be valid because I trust the institutions that licence or accredit the historian and provide the library selection. Or I could trust internet scholars who chalange accepted ideas, like the notion of white egyptians, but change their stories, telling me first to refer to Amir Fatir for information on what Asia means, and subsequently ridiculing the same link you sent me to years earier. Perhaps you remember this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Wasn't Hitler half Jewish? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- AND THE NAZI'S CLAIMED TO BE AYRIAN, GO FIGURE. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Where exactly is this court? --------------------------------------------------------------------- ACCROSS THE STREET FROM THE KATMANDU BANK. --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote:AND "IT IS SAFE TO SAY" WE KNOW THESE MEN WERE NOT THE AUTHORS OF THE BIBLE. It's "safe to say" no such thing. Show and prove. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SAME WAY I KNOW THAT BACKSTREET BOYS ISNT STREETLIFE, ITS NOT THEIR STYLE OR CHARACTER. THE EXENT OF YOUR DENIAL OF THIS RATIONAL UNDERSTANDING THAT THE ROMANS COLLECTED JEWISH LITERATURE IN COMPOSING THE BIBLE MAKES ANY FURTHUR ARGUMENTS YOU PUT FORTH NEGLEGABLE. I STILL RESPECT YOUR RESEARCH, BUT ITS COMMONSENCE THAT THE ROMANS DIDNT HAVE THE BREDTH OF INFORMATION HISTORICALLY CONFIMED AS PROPER TO THE JEWS TO FABRICATE THE BIBLE. BY YOUR REASONING THEY WROTE THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS TOO, AND HID THEM IN A CAVE. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps we should add "Aryans" to the list... But then again, perhaps the term "Hurrians" already accounts for that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- INTERESTING POINT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- YOU KNOW A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL SCHOLLARS AND HISTORIANS MAKE CONJECTURES ABOUT THE WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHENS, AND WHYS, BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT IS SOLELY TEXTUAL. And you say this, as if that's not problematic in and of itself. You site one faulty rule, in justification of another. How quaint. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I DONT SEE THIS AS PROBLEMATIC AT ALL AS YOUR REFUTATION OF MY KITE EXAMPLE IS UNSATIAFACTORY. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Bad example. That's only valid if the only intention was to show a person how to fly a kite, and nothing more. However, that's a huge assumption on the part of the reader still. What, may I ask, is the true intention for flying a kite? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THAT QUESTION IS GOING TO GO AS FAR AS YOU WANT TO LET THE WIND TAKE IT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This sounds like more justification of the evil of men. More over, it's wholly inaccurate. Numerous other cultures, and Orders within those societies have "eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil", and have not raped, killed, stolen, etc. That is like saying that every kid that goes to Public School is gonna turn out bad, and that every kid that goes to Private School is gonna turn out okay. This leads us to the logical conclusion that: *Perhaps the unassailing cultures did not eat from the Tree afterall, if we follow your "logic" *Perhaps your logic is faulty, and it was in fact the assailing culture that did not eat from the tree. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I DIDNT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TREE OF KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL WAS BEYOND A MYTHICAL METAPHORE THAT ILLUMINATES THE PROSPECT THAT ONE MIGHT NOT HAVE ANY KNOWLEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY BECOME AWARE OF THIS ASPECT OF CREATION. WHAT OTHER CULTURES HAVE EATEN FROM THIS TREE? ASIDE FROM THE EXAMPLE TAMAHU POSTED OF A STATUE OF EVE WITH THE SNAKE IN INDIA IT WAS I BELIEVE, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANOTHER CULTURE BEING INVOLVED WITH SUCH A MYTH. HOW DOES THE EVIDENCE OF FARMILIARITY WITH THE STORY OF ADAM AND EVE IN ANCIENT INDIA EFFECT THE HISTORICAL FRAMEWORK OF YOUR DICTUM THAT INDIA WAS INVADED BY ARIAN JEWS. WHICH CAME FIRST, THE STATUE WITH THE GARDEN OF EDEN IMAGE OR THE INVADING ARYIANS? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Just for clarification, how are you intending the use and meaning of "DISCURSIVE" in this context? It has 2 meanings you know.... Both of which could serve to hurt your argument here. --------------------------------------------------------------------- APPOLOGIES, I THOUGHT THAT IT JUST MEANT CONVERSATIONAL. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This info is all over the net. Do a casual search. In the meantime, didn't you mention ZEITGEIST earlier in this discussion? That point was thoroughly laid out in that documentary. --------------------------------------------------------------------- MABEY I WILL HAVE TO WATCH THE ZEITGEIST. BUT I DIDNT GO MORE THAN 14 MINUTES INTO IT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. I HAVE TWO PHILOSOPHICAL STANDPOINTS THAT PREVENT ME FROM DOING ANY BUILDING ON THE ILLUMINATI SUBJECT. FIRST, BY DICUSSSING THE ILLUMINATI, YOU FEED INTO THEIR ENERGY MATRIX. IF YOU DONT DO ANYTHING TO CONFIRM THEM, YOU DONT SUBSTANTIATE THEIR EXISTANCE. I FORGET WHERE I READ THIS ON THIS FORUM, BUT WE KNOW THAT IF YOU GIVE EVIL NOTHING TO FIGHT AGIAINST IT WILL DISIPATE. -------------------------------------------------------------------- You just quoted me above. There is info about the Illuminati and their plans all over the internet. How you've managed to dodge it all this time is beyond me. I would implore you to add this to your reading list, along with the Aryans, and your Bible. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I THINK THIS INFORMATION IS PART OF THE CONSPIRICY IN THAT YOU INCRIMINATE YOURSELF IN "THE OMNIVERCE" BY TAKING YOUR EYES OFF OF THE PRIZE AND CHASING ILLUMINAITI, GIVING THEM REASON TO DO THE SAME TO YOU. DO YOU NOT FEEL THAT THEIR IS CERTAIN KNOWLEGE ONE NEED NOT HAVE? ALSO, MOST SOURCES FOR INFORMATION ON SUCH TOPICS AS ILLUMINATI ARE DUBIOUS. I WATCHED THE ILLUMINATI PROJECT FOR 200 EPISODES OF 10 MINUTES EACH, UNTILL I REALIZED THAT BOTH I AND THE EPPISODES WERE GETTING GRADDUALLY STUPIDER AND STUPIDER. AND I THINK THEY GOT THEIR INFORMTION AND SEGMETNTS FROM THE ZIETEGIST. LIKE THAT WOMAN MARY CROFT, WHO IS ON THIS SITE, AND I BELIEVE IS IN THE ILLUMINATI PROJECT, IT SEEMS HER INFORMATION IS WHOLLY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. BUT I DIDNT STAY WITH IT FOR TOO LONG, SO MABY I CANT SAY. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Honestly, this portion of the convo is stalemated, until you bring yourself up to date on secret societies. In the meantime, I continue to be baffled, as to how you've missed this info, while searching on-line for all these "Biblical Hidden Mysteries". These concepts are not by far mutually exclusive. Most of the time, they are in the same sentences, in the same paragraphs, on the same pages, in the same chapters, of the same books. --------------------------------------------------------------------- NAME SOME BOOKS. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Probably not. But that in no way negates the host of info out there that is authentic. Again, you said you watched ZEITGEIST... Did you watch both parts? --------------------------------------------------------------------- NO, I COULDNT SIT THROUGH IT. BUT I MIGHT TRY AGAIN SO I CAN KEEP UP WITH YOU. PEACE |
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jul 4, 2009 6:49:01 GMT -5
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Moses or Musa(who is said to have taught the devil tricknology) was a Hebrew Kemetian Priest who taught a watered-down Jewish version of the Tree of Life. So if I'm not sure if I could have even fully trusted the Ancient Kemetian Priesthood itself, what does that say about trusting anything of the Jewish based religions? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE FATE OF "THE TEACHING" ON EARTH, IF IT IS BEING CONTINUALLY WATTERD DOWN? ONE WOULD THINK A DOCTRINE THAT IS SO EXHALTED WOULD BE RULING AND PROSPERING It says that it would have been the prevailing system on earth, were it not for your precious Esoteric Hebrews coming to launch several campaigns to destroy them over the ages. That is somehow the "doctrine's" fault, or the people who created and lived by it? This is yet again, an attempt to justify the actions of the true culprits. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not trying to justify the horrific acts of the Bible. I have been trying to exhaust explanations. How and why so? Was the same rigorous scientific application applied, when the attempt is made to "mystify" the Bible? People seem quite content to "Spook out" the Bible, rather that merely look at it in plain view. On this point, we most definitely agree. With this, you are both selling yourself short, whilst giving far more credit is due to those who perhaps don't deserve it. In the Book I mentioned in the other thread, "WHEN GOD WAS A WOMAN", Merlin Stone speaks of how mainstream archeology is so biased, it's not even funny. She even documents countless occasions of how archeologists and historians deliberately omitted key information. They have displayed notions of racism, sexism, and cultural bias. These "historians"..... These leading authorities on the subject, are paid to disseminate this info. They are also paid to "Debunk" any "heretical" theories about religion and related matters. Do a research on who funds many of these "scholars". Again, the legwork can be done by the casual layman (i.e., you and me). However, we (sub)consciously psych ourselves out, into thinking that we can "never know the truth". You've perhaps learned more in this thread, than you thought you could ever know. That's because the thread's participants have dedicated themselves and their lives to the pursuit of this knowledge. And so have those that had produced the research material that many of us have studied. If it means that much to you, take the time to learn these truths for yourself, rather than just accepting what you "believe". Yes, I do recall. It's called growth and development. I, in many ways, are not the same person I was years ago. Alot of my perspectives about spirituality have evolved greatly since then. For example, if you recall, I was largely "5%" when we first spoke. Now, not so much; I don't subscribe to those ideas anymore. But, that's the entire reason for the CRADLE to begin with... To share ideas and learn from one another.... And also to provide a place where we can all critically analyze the info that each of us has learned. However, for the record, I never stated that the info AMIR FATIR gave about Asia is necessarily incorrect. Just that, in context of what I was speaking of at the time, his interpretation was not applicable. Specifically, AMIR FATIR does not always take historicity into account, which is wholly necessary for spiritual understanding, especially if we are looking to "ancient" wisdom for direction. I've seen instances (such as one that you linked here), where AMIR FATIR will opt to settle for UFOlogy as an explanation, rather than something far more mundane. It's easier to"believe" in the story of COUNT DRACULA, a blood sucking undead vampire, who turned to a bat at night and flew around Transylvania preying on virgins, rather than casually research the account of VLAD TEPES (whom the story of Dracula is based), the Romanian Jew duke who was simply a cannibal. Thus, this is no different than looking for "Aliens in the Qur'an" from AMIR FATIR, or "Lizard Men Saturn" from David Icke or Dr. York. By the way, the word "Asia" is Greek in origin, and it was etymologically a geographical term, not some spiritual one. Same as with the term "Africa". But I don't expect that AMIR FATIR would have told you that. Precisely!! That's funny. LOL. I haven't denied anything. My point this entire time, has been " how do we KNOW these 'rational understandings'"? All that we know about the "Roman Church Fathers", merely and almost entirely comes from the Roman Church Fathers. And yet again, a casual, precursory investigation of history will clearly demonstrate how morally bereft and agenda biased these same Roman Church Fathers were. Thus, why would we "trust"t that these men had altruistic reasons for compiling the Bible? Why allow only certain books into the official edition, yet destroy and/or hide others? Why deny humanity the right and chance to learn what is spiritually or otherwise relevant for their own lives?? Do you truly appreciate having that opportunity and RIGHT taken away from you? And, lo and behold, this same casual search turns up that this body of Roman Church Fathers are apart of this Illuminati family that we have spoken up. The Plot thins.... So thin that's transparent. What "Dead Sea Scrolls"? Have you ever read one? You don't know what they say, let alone who found them. I've come across info in different places, that infers that the Dead Sea Scrolls are not the most reliable source, and cannot always be corroborated. But feel free to find out for yourself. Agreed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- It's funny that you say this, and then turn around and say: Yet, that answer takes me no where. All the worse. Assuming that was what the tree was metaphorically meant to represent (and I agree with this), then are we really saying that, since clearly other cultures both in and outside of the Bible have clearly mentioned and ate from the tree, then it's clear that the Hebrews/Hyksos, etc did not eat of the tree, since it appears that their views on "Good and Evil" (which is nothing more than a basic grasp on ethics and morality; nothing spooky or mystical about that) are clearly askewed, both in Bible context, and in actual history. Clearly, a person's reasoning faculties are malfunctioning, if they can say "God told me to do it" with a straight face, whether it's in a modern-day court of law (and no, not the one in Katmandu), or in the pages of the Bible. You cannot say, in all good conscience and sanity, that you would take such a person seriously. - KEMET
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Again, this is casual research info. This is also mentioned in the book WHEN GOD WAS A WOMAN. I highly suggest you read this book.... Unless of course, you are concerned about talking to me years later, and me havig changed my story by then.  Not sure what you are specifically asking here, but the invading party stole many concepts from the invaded party, while superimposing their interpretation on said concepts. This happens in countless occasions of imperialism. Europe and America are no different. How do you think you got the language you are typing in now? The written "English" language is actually Roman script. Same for German, French, Swedish, Italian (obviously). The reason for that, is because Rome invaded those lands, and superimposed their language and customs upon these invaded lands, while at the same time absorbing aspects of the invading culture. How do you think that Zeus, who was not always a Thunder God, became much the Likeness of Thor, The Norse Thunder God? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Understood. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, wow. Okay then. This is called denial. You are still feeling the effects of their presence (thereby, "feeding into their matrix") regardless. The fact is, they exist, and they are doing what they do. Your ignorance about them does not negate this fact. That's only partially correct. Has the evil of the Jews dissipated, because I and others refuse to believe in their Bible? When you close your eyes, does the world, universe, etc. go away, cease to exist? Who says that I or any one else is "taking my eyes off the prize" by learning about them? This implies that A) we can't mentally and spiritually multi-task, and that B) knowledge and truth (and thereby the pursuit of such) is not wholistic. When the Illuminati plot is uncovered, by default all that they've been hiding has been uncovered. So you've then killed 2 birds with one stone. In order for crimes to be solved, the motive of the criminals must be determined. Surely this is the method that they use in the "Katmandu Court"?  Nope. Otherwise, what is the point of eating from the Tree? That sounds like something the God of the Bible would say: " let's go down and stop them from growing and learning". I'm good on that. I agree that it can get tedious, combing thru the info and distinguishing fact from fiction... However, how are you tired of this, but have no problem just believing in the Bible? Is not the same rigor to be applied to both works? Yes, some of the info is indeed redundant. However, that's no different than reading a scholar's work, and finding in the Bibliography that they quote the works of other scholar's books. Not withstanding your admission to not staying with it, can you give an example of the counterproductiveness of her work? Just curious. True. WHEN GOD WAS A WOMAN, and CHOSEN PEOPLE FROM THE CAUCASUS. I've named these books numerous times in this thread alone, as well as in other areas of this site. But it's up to you to actually read them, yes? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Keep up with the info, not with me. Remember, I'm that guy that doesn't much agree with AMIR FATIR anymore, remember?  HOTEPU |
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Jul 4, 2009 13:30:39 GMT -5
These leading authorities on the subject, are paid to disseminate this info. They are also paid to "Debunk" any "heretical" theories about religion and related matters.
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CHECK THE BOOK, FORBIDEN HISTORY, THAT I POSTED UNDER PARADIGM CHANGING BOOKS. THIS BOOK EXPOUNDS A LOT OF ARCHOLOGICAL LIE PARADIGMS.
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And, lo and behold, this same casual search turns up that this body of Roman Church Fathers are apart of this Illuminati family that we have spoken up.
The Plot thins.... So thin that's transparent.
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What "Dead Sea Scrolls"? Have you ever read one? You don't know what they say, let alone who found them. I've come across info in different places, that infers that the Dead Sea Scrolls are not the most reliable source, and cannot always be corroborated. But feel free to find out for yourself.
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I HAVE A BOOK OF THEM. AND I READ A LOT OF IT. PERHAPS THE TRANSLATIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS CORROBORATED, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY SPEAK OF STORIES OF ENOCH, AND SUCH PROVES THAT ENOCH WAS A FIGURE AT THAT TIME, NOT A FABRICATION BY THE CHURCH FATHERS, AND THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE THE SAME STORIES OF THE BIBLE ARE FOUND IN THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS.
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YOU KNOW A LOT OF PROFESSIONAL SCHOLLARS AND HISTORIANS MAKE CONJECTURES ABOUT THE WHO, WHAT, WHERE, WHENS, AND WHYS, BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT IS SOLELY TEXTUAL.
And you say this, as if that's not problematic in and of itself. You site one faulty rule, in justification of another. How quaint.
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I DONT SEE THIS AS PROBLEMATIC AT ALL AS YOUR REFUTATION OF MY KITE EXAMPLE IS UNSATIAFACTORY.
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Bad example. That's only valid if the only intention was to show a person how to fly a kite, and nothing more. However, that's a huge assumption on the part of the reader still.
What, may I ask, is the true intention for flying a kite?
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THAT QUESTION IS GOING TO GO AS FAR AS YOU WANT TO LET THE WIND TAKE IT.
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Yet, that answer takes me no where.
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WHEN A PERSON MAKES A KITE FLYING MANUEL, THEY ARNT CONCERNED WITH THE VANITY IN SUCH A HOBBEY. IMAGININE A KITE FLYING MANUEL WRITTEN BY A MANIC DEPRESSIVE THAT PHILOSOPHISES ABOUT THE REASON FOR FLYING A KITE. THEY JUST KNOW HOW TO DO IT, AND KNOW THAT THEY CAN INSTRUCT OTHERS, SO THEY PUT TOGEATHER A HOW TO FOR PLEASURE OR FOR PROFIT.
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Nope. Otherwise, what is the point of eating from the Tree? That sounds like something the God of the Bible would say: "let's go down and stop them from growing and learning".
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I DONT THINK YOU AND I ARE IN CONCORDENCE ON THIS SUBJECT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, KNOLWEGE OF GOOD AND EVIL IS SOMETHING YOU DONT REALLY WANT, THOUGH IT MAY GIVE YOU DIVINE CAPACITY, YOU CANT REALY HANDLE THE TRUTH, AND YOU WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF NOT KNOWING YOUR NAKEDNESS.
BUT THATS JUST MY INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE VERSION OF THE STORY. ILL GET BACK TO YO AFTER RESEARCHING THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS.
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Post by SAMURAI36 on Jul 4, 2009 17:17:35 GMT -5
These leading authorities on the subject, are paid to disseminate this info. They are also paid to "Debunk" any "heretical" theories about religion and related matters. --------------------------------------------------------------------- CHECK THE BOOK, FORBIDEN HISTORY, THAT I POSTED UNDER PARADIGM CHANGING BOOKS. THIS BOOK EXPOUNDS A LOT OF ARCHOLOGICAL LIE PARADIGMS. Okay, I will check it out. But what baffles me, is that you are aware, at least to some extent, of the "conspiracy" regarding the lies told, but remain oblivious to the agenda of the Illuminati. Why so? Indeed. Are you saying that you have a book with the actual snapshots of the scrolls in them? Or rather, you have a book about the Scrolls? May I ask, what's this book called? Are you able to read the language that the Scrolls were written in? This is not significant to you? Are you saying the Scrolls contain the Book of Enoch, or just mention Enoch by name? If it's the former, I find it interesting then, that the Church has opted not to include this book as canon. If it's the latter, then there's no reason why the story of Enoch cannot be embellished. For instance, it was the church that has embellished the writings of Josephus and other early "Christian" authors. Also, are you not aware that JOHN 3:16 was added to the text? But here is an example of what I'm speaking of: www.burningcross.net/crusades/dead-sea-scrolls-crisis.html"It is my belief that the impact of the Scrolls on Christianity cannot properly be understood without some historical background of the Church as a political, economic and social institution. For this reason, I have gone beyond the immediate meaning of the Scrolls and reviewed the history of Christianity - from its birth and its evolution into a world movement to its current state of crisis. Christianity today is in the midst of an existential crisis which the world is largely unaware of, but obvious to an observant student. It is also attested by the Church's own records as the book will show."Fair enough then. This point is stalemated. Bad example. That's only valid if the only intention was to show a person how to fly a kite, and nothing more. However, that's a huge assumption on the part of the reader still. Pleasure or profit are significant motivators, and also significant identifiers for agenda. Profit speaks for itself, but what "pleasure" is gained from someone knowing how to fly a kite? Irrelevant to why the kite manual was written. How did you arrive at this interpretation? Do you have "knowledge of good and evil"? Or are you in a "state of nakedness"? If so, did you have to "eat from a tree" (be it literal or metaphorical) in order to receive it? Why would you not want it? What is it like to not have it, do you know? |
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Post by Dr. D-Resperatation on Jul 5, 2009 14:43:34 GMT -5
These leading authorities on the subject, are paid to disseminate this info. They are also paid to "Debunk" any "heretical" theories about religion and related matters. --------------------------------------------------------------------- CHECK THE BOOK, FORBIDEN HISTORY, THAT I POSTED UNDER PARADIGM CHANGING BOOKS. THIS BOOK EXPOUNDS A LOT OF ARCHOLOGICAL LIE PARADIGMS. Okay, I will check it out. But what baffles me, is that you are aware, at least to some extent, of the "conspiracy" regarding the lies told, but remain oblivious to the agenda of the Illuminati. Why so? --------------------------------------------------------------------- ITS FUNNY THE INTRODUCTION TO THE ARTICLES IN THIS BOOK ESTABLISHES THE PROPENSITY FOR SCIENTITS TO RESIST CHANGE TO THE PARADIGM AND REJECT EVIDENCE THAT CHANGES CERTAIN HELD BELIEFS LIKE THAT OF THE ICE AGE, EVOLUTION, ATLANTIS, THE AGE OF THE PYRIMIDS, AND MU, ETC, BUT THE AUTHORS OF THE BOOOK WHO ARE MORE FARMILAR WITH THIS SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT'S PURPOSEFULL BLIND EYE, ATRIBUTES IT NOT TO A CONSPIRICY, BUT TO A SUCONCIIOUS FEAR OF A MEMORY OF AN EARLYIER AGE THAT WE ARE AFAID TO ACKNOWLEGE. THIS SUCONSIOUS FEAR DOES NOT SOUND IMPOSSIBLE TO ME, BUT I AM MORE INCLINED TO BELIEVE THAT THE SCIENTIFIC COMUNITY TREATS DISEMINATION OF KNOWLEGE LIKE A HIRARCHICAL BUSSINESS AND WONT TELL YOU THE TRUTH FOR FREE, UNLESS YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE FAITHFULL TO THEIR COMUNITY. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you saying that you have a book with the actual snapshots of the scrolls in them? Or rather, you have a book about the Scrolls? May I ask, what's this book called? --------------------------------------------------------------------- www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scrolls-Revised-Translation/dp/006076662X ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you able to read the language that the Scrolls were written in? --------------------------------------------------------------------- OF COURCE NOT. --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is not significant to you? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- IT CONCEARNS ME, BUT I KNOW THAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB PUTTIN TOGEATHE FRAMENTS OF PARCHMENT AND TRANSLATING THEM THAN I COULD DO, SO I CANT REALLY CRITIZIZE. WHEN I FIRST HAD THE BOOK, I WAS CONVINCED "THE REAL JEWS WERE BLACK" DUE TO THE FACT THAT I BELIVED MOSES WAS AKENAHTEN, SO I THOUGHT PARTS OF THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS THAT PROLCLIAM A RIGHTOUS MEMBER OF THE CONGRAGATIONS WITH RED HAIR, I THOUGHT WERE A LIE. BUT NOW I HAVE NO REASON TO QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THE SEGEMENTS I HAVE. THEY ARE NOT COMPOSED OF FULL STORIES, ITS JUST SEGMENTS WITH PARTS THAT ARE LEFT OUT DUE TO BECAUSE THEY WERE UNTRANSLATEABLE FOR SOME REASON. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you saying the Scrolls contain the Book of Enoch, or just mention Enoch by name? If it's the former, I find it interesting then, that the Church has opted not to include this book as canon. If it's the latter, then there's no reason why the story of Enoch cannot be embellished. --------------------------------------------------------------------- IT HAS THE BOOK OF ENOCH, BUT ITS ALL IN FRAGEMENTS. I HAVE NO KNOWLEGE AS TO WHY THE BOOK OF ENOCH IS NOT IN CANNON. I FIND THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH FATHERS SELECTED SOME JEWISH LITERATURE AND REFUSED OTHER GOSPELLS AND SUCH TO BE SUSPECT. JUST AS I FIND IT SUSPECT THAT THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE REFERS TO SAINTS, WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE CHURCH WAS ESTABLISHED SO HOW COUDLD ANYONE BE CONSIDERED A SAINT, AND THE ORIGINAL TRANSATION REFERS TO THERE BEING GODS IN THE OLD TESTEMENT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For instance, it was the church that has embellished the writings of Josephus and other early "Christian" authors. Also, are you not aware that JOHN 3:16 was added to the text? But here is an example of what I'm speaking of: www.burningcross.net/crusades/dead-sea-scrolls-crisis.html---------------------------------------------------------------------- :oDONT TELL THAT TO THE CHRISTIANS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Fair enough then. This point is stalemated. Bad example. That's only valid if the only intention was to show a person how to fly a kite, and nothing more. However, that's a huge assumption on the part of the reader still. Pleasure or profit are significant motivators, and also significant identifiers for agenda. Profit speaks for itself, but what "pleasure" is gained from someone knowing how to fly a kite? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ITS A HOBBY. PEOPLE LIKE TO INVOLVE OTHERS IN THEIR PERSONAL HOBBIES AND SPREAD THEIR ENJOYMENT. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Irrelevant to why the kite manual was written. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WOULD YOU SUSPECT AN ALTERIOUR MOTIVE FOR A KITE MANUEL? --------------------------------------------------------------------- How did you arrive at this interpretation? Do you have "knowledge of good and evil"? Or are you in a "state of nakedness"? If so, did you have to "eat from a tree" (be it literal or metaphorical) in order to receive it? Why would you not want it? What is it like to not have it, do you know? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT YOU JUST WROTE SUGGESTS YOU DONT FULLY UNDERSTAND THE METAPHORE. ITS NOT AN ISSUE OF EITHER ONE HAS KNOWLEGE OF G. AND E. OR ONE IS IN A STATE OF NAKEDNESS. THE K. OF G. AND E. AWAKENS ONE SELF TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE NAKED. THE ISSUE OF REALISING ONES NAKEDNESS IS DEEP. IT IMPLIES MAN HAD NO SHAME UNTILL HE KNEW OF GOOD AND EVIL, SO MAN WAS PROBABLY EVIL BEFORE HE ATE FROM THE TREE, BUT DID NOT KNOW THE FEELING. PERHAPS HE WAS IN THE CONCIOUS STATE OF AN ANIMAL. OR PERHAPS HE WAS IN A CONCIOUOS STATE OF BLISS WHERE ANIMALISTIC TENDENCIES WERE NOT PRESENT IN HIM. EITHER ONE COULD BE INFERED. THE POINT IS HE ENTERED INTO A PHYCIC RHELM WHERE THE TRUE MEANING OF LIFE, WITH THE PROFOUND POLARITITY OF GOOD AND EVIL DAWNED UPON HIM, AS OPPOSED TO LIFE MOVING FORWARD WITH NO ELEMENT OF SELF CONCOUIOUSNESS AND MORAL RESPONCIBILITY. BUT I SUPPOSE I CANT FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS SUBJECT UNTILL I READ THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS OF THE MYTH. PEACE |
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